Indian Primates: Buried Below Permafrost Of Sanskriti
Posted on | March 4, 2009 | 115 Comments
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Animal species buried under permafrost carry with them their way of living, foraging, hunting, giving way to newer species with new ways and means of individual and group behavior. Millions of years old Mammoths buried under the permafrost of Siberian wilderness carried with them the reasons of their extinction in the fast changing world. Some Japanese scientists are making effort to decipher the DNA of the extinct species and recreating clones from the decipherable DNA sequences. The Neanderthal species of Homo sapiens disappeared in oblivion probably because they failed to compete with the progenies of Mother Lucy (real Eve) of East Africa. Survival of the fittest is still a valid universal theory of evolution.
The anthropologists and social scientists generally agree that certain groups of human societies do often get mummified and frozen in the past in the name of Sanskar, Sanskriti, Tehzib, Virasat Rewayat, Rehat Maryada etc. Evolvement of human social behavior, organised social attitude and other barriers created by various religious communities crumble down as the Time marches ahead shrinking the human sphere of connectivity and connecting and reconnecting the wirings of behavioral patterns.
Disconnectivity with the advancing human civilization and preference to live in the darkness of tradition has, as per anthropologists, rendered certain tribes in Africa absolutely distinct from the progress of the human race in other parts of the world. When the rest of the western world had embarked on scientific breakthrough the Sultanates and the Mughals in India remained busy in archaic warfare and building mausoleums and giant building edifices, mosques and temples. Failure to keep step with the developments in the western countries had paved the way for conquest and prolonged colonialism. Ossified societies remain slaves to their social Sanskar and Tehzib and are easier targets to foreign slavery. Indian Hindu society is the living example of this universal theory of civilisational stagnation, isolation from global reality and cultural inbreeding.
The descendant of Mother Lucy of East Africa, who started the theme of ‘charaiveti, charaiveti’ (Aiteriya Brahmana of Rig Veda) discovered almost all the known parts of the earth-landmass. It has been 30 lakh years since mankind started walking and discovering the wonders of the world. They evolved in different geographical areas developing linguistic, cultural and behavioral patterns which, later, came to be accepted as Sanskar, Sanskriti. Tehzib, Rehat Maryada and Social Practices. These concepts, often conjured with religion, evolved over centuries under peculiar social circumstances.
In Social practices of the Hindus the Varnashram had evolved out of the so-called Aryan concept of division of work; priests, warriors, traders and other professional practitioners who kept the wheel of the organised society moving. Gradually the de-morphed society created watertight social strata by inventing untouchability and vast groups of people who lived in the same society, performed certain vocations but were not recognized as the inseparable part of the so-called Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti i.e. Culture.
The Bengali Hindus did not strictly follow the varnasharm till such time the Brahminical population started migrating to fertile Banga Bhumi. However, the Sena Dynasty that came from Andhra to Bengal as victorious rulers had introduced the rigid Kaulinya (highest of the high) system, which reclassified the Brahmins as Radi, Barendra, and Gaura etc. Similarly the Rajputs and Shudras (kayasths) were classified according to Kaulinya system. In West Bengal, till recent past, certain family titles like Ghosh, Bose, Guha, Mitra etc were classified as Kulin. In early twentieth century the so called Kulins squirmed at the idea of marrying in a non-Kulin family. Fortunately these barriers have started breaking down and the mischief committed by the Barman and Sena rulers is being corrected by the society itself. Now, Bangla Sanskriti is typified by Tagore, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda and of course fish curries and rice.
Even after the surge of Muslim nationalism and influences of the puritan mullahs the Muslim society has remained caste ridden and there are unwritten rules about the Ashraf (noble) Muslims interacting with the Ajlaf (low caste) Muslims. Varnasharm has been injected into the Indian Muslim community over centuries and even a Mughal was supposed to be unfit for matrimonial relationship with Arab, Persia origin Sayeed families. Sadly enough the barbers, weavers, smiths, leather processors, meat sellers etc are also classified as ajlaf. Perhaps, the Indian ambiance has serious corroding ingredients that divide people and refuse to unify them. Even the Sikhs treat low caste coreligionists as Mazhabi Sikhs. There is hardly any social interaction between a Jat and a Mazhabi Sikh. The infamous Pakistani national Qasab, arrested during Mumbai attack derived his family name from the popular slang Kasai, often stylised as Qureshi.
I do not intend to analyse the details of caste dispensation in different parts of India amongst the so-called Hindu communities. However, what has been disturbing the society at large the Sanskar and Sanskriti madness of some Hindu groups who have assumed the role of protectors of Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti. Sanskar is defined as family, societal and group behavior conforming to social edits in day to day rituals and Nitya Karm Padhwati. It is equivalent to ‘Behasti Jevar’ that is prescribed as standards of daily individual and social behavior. Sanskar includes worship of a family deity, food habits, wearing apparel, application of sindur and conch shell and iron bangles by Hindu women and ultimately total abidance to the practices followed in a family. Standards vary from family to family. Certain changes had crept in with the Renaissance, Arya Samaj Movement and Bhakti cults that sprouted in different form in different parts of the country modifying social rituals and behaviorism.
Unfortunately, dowry system, bride burning, female feticide and torture on women, preference to male child in matters of education etc are treated as parts of Sanskar. Stories of social edits passed by Haryana panchayats marriage in the same khap (clan) was anti-Sanskar and such marriages are null and void. The recent case of an edit that a married couple (same khap) should treat each other as brother and sister had shaken the modern society, which was no more inclined to follow that rigid khap system. Even in modern times Sati is regarded as holy Sanskar, desirable to be performed by every woman as an honorable highway to heaven. If these are the Sanskars of the so-called Hindu society the social historiographer would have no option but to describe that ‘such a society branded as Hinduism is buried under permafrost.’ Such a society with ugly Sanskars has very little chance of connecting with the changing world, which is becoming smaller by the day.
A Slum Dog Millionaire may have earned acclaim in the film world. But thousands if not lakhs of such slum dogs live amongst us and our Sanskar and Sanskriti treat them as something lesser than Homo sapiens. Over centuries we have created untouchable Dalits and pushed them at the farthest corner of high-caste society and their Sanskars and Sanskriti. These were often sanctified as inviolable, frozen in the past and sinking the developmental process with weighty anchors of faith, bigotry and hostility towards unification of the global behavioral patterns.
The recent madness of the so-called Ram Sena attacking women visiting a pub exhibited the worst nakedness of so-called Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti. The same perverts try to keep their own women under shackles and disapprove their modern apparel preferences, open and free socialization and expression of love towards a male closer to their hearts. Such monkey brigades often styled as Bajrang Dal do moral policing in states like Gujarat, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. The likes of Babu Bajrangi and Muthalik are enemies of the Hindu society and they want to enforce on vibrant human societies the dead weight of Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti.
The Hindu mullahs should read classical Sanskrit literature and find out that women were squally attracted towards Soma Rasa. These guardians of Hindu tradition should remember that the Suras after being defeated by the Asuras had finally approached the “Shaktibhute Sanatani” the eternal Mother force, endowed on her all the energies and worshipped her to fight and defeat the Asuras. The Mother, after drinking huge quantity of Soma Rasa and Madhu laughed so loudly that the universe pulsated in fear. In that state of sura induced Sanatani had finally defeated the Asuras and delivered the Suras.
For the enlightenment of the ignorant Hindu mullahs I quote from Slokas 34-36 of Third Adhyaya of Shri Shri Chandi or Durga Shaptashati to assert that Great Woman Energy was empowered by frightened and defeated Devas who fought Mahishasura valiantly. The audacity of Mahishasura irritated the Mother.
“Tatah Krudhwa Jaganmata Chandika Panamuttamam,
Papau punah punaschaiva Jahasarunalochana,
Nanarda Chasurah Balabirya Soahpi balabiryamadoudhawah
Vishanabhyancha Chikshep Chandikang Prati Bhudharan.
Sa Cha Tan Prahitangstena Churnayantii Sharotkarayh,
Uubach Tang Madodhutamukharagakulaksharam.”
(After that Universal Mother Chandika became very angry and repeatedly drank superior quality Madhu (Soma Rasa) and laughed with red angry eyes. Mahishasur also snouted with strength and in anger. Mother also destroyed all the missiles thrown by the Asura-approximate translation).
She sarcastically told the Demon that till such time she finished drinking Madhu he could shout and fret. After sufficient consumption of Madhu she laughed out loudly and killed the Demon.
I do not intend to assert that women in historic and pre-historic times drank wildly. But if there were no such social liberty, the poet or poets who composed the Shri Shri Chandi would have not dared to depict the Mother the way they did. If this is what has been scripted in a highly respected religious book about woman power, who are these monkey brigade foot-soldiers to oppose gender freedom in the name of Sanskar, Sanskriti and Tradition? It is hoped the Hindu scions would explain to their foot-soldiers that by doing what they are doing they have degraded the Hindu society by devising Hindu Sharait and Hadith. I do not find any difference between the mullahs and the fossils of Hindu civilization. I request the protectors of Hindu Tradition to remember that our women fight such battles every day at home and work place and keep the wheel of the society moving. They are made to slave at home and are harassed at work place. They are picked up by Hindu animals and raped in cars and open places. Such animals have no right to determine and dictate where and when a woman would go to have a few relaxed hours over a drink or coffee.
Babu Bajrangi, the genocide expert, had commented on camera, “We didn’t spare a single Muslim shop, we set everything on fire … we hacked, burned, set on fire … we believe in setting them on fire because these bastards don’t want to be cremated, they’re afraid of it … I have just one last wish … let me be sentenced to death … I don’t care if I’m hanged … just give me two days before my hanging and I will go and have a field day in Juhapura where seven or eight lakhs [seven or eight hundred thousand] of these people stay … I will finish them off … let a few more of them die … at least 25,000 to 50,000 should die.”
The Vishwa Hindu Parishad later disowned this Hindu messiah and he shifted loyalty to Shiv Sena, another parochial political body floated by Marathi chauvinists.
The latest incident of moral policing at Balmatta area of Bangalore by the Hindu primates surrounding a Hindu girl and a Muslim boy (family friends) sipping juice at roadside stall is another instance of the self-styled Tradition worshiper primates of the society. If a Muslim mullah issues a fatwah against Hindu-Muslim male and female social interaction we instantly call it Islamic fanaticism. What about the Hindu mullahs? The saddest incident in Calcutta involving Rizwanur and Todi family girl (legally wedded) had prompted even senior police officers assuming the role of moral policing. Rizwanur had to pay with his life, for no crime committed by him. Several such incidents have been headlined by the media and the Hindu and Muslim mullahs have been condemned. Such condemnations have not stopped moral policing. The trend is gathering vicious proportions.
Unfortunately hundreds of incidents of woman-degradation are not reported. Only on 26th February, 2009 a woman was stripped, tied to a tree and beaten in Ajmer district of Rajasthan after a panchayat took law into its hands to `punish’ her on the words of her suspecting husband.
When Mithu, a villager of Moyada, went to the panchayat of Bhambi community of Dalits on Thursday, and said his wife was having an affair with another man, its reaction was swift. First, the statements of Mithu and his family were recorded and the `punishment’ followed. Seeta, Mithu’s wife was summoned by the panchayat, tied to a tree, beaten and stripped. Though the police have recorded a case, Seeta would not be accepted back by her husband’s family. If such are the Traditions of the Hindu society, I beg to pray; I would prefer embracing Eskimo Tradition and live in polar wilderness than living in a so-called 5000 year old Hindu civilization. These Hindu mullahs are worst than fundamentalist Muslim mullhas.
The latest report of the international medical journal LANCET claims that burn injuries are the biggest killer of Indian women in the age group of 15-34. Burn injuries are caused by marital disputes, dowry related torture, suicide, homicide and kitchen accidents. Nearly 1.6 lakhs such deaths are reported each year. Many more cases are not reported at all. Is this the Tradition of the fosslised Hindu primates? Why these fools offer flower to the Mother Goddess and hang her next day for fat dowries?
Several Hindu organisations agitate over forcible conversion by the Tablighi Jammat and various denominations of Christian Churches, especially the Australian, New Zealand Baptist churches, Churches affiliated to ABFMS (USA). Some allegations are genuine, some not. Proselytisation has never been the core-concept of what is known as Hinduism. Large scale conversions of Hindus to Islam during Muslim rules and to Christianity during British rule were not done merely at sword and gun points. Other major factors have not been properly evaluated. Hindu society, which was not at all united, had failed to face determined attack by the early plunderers and the so-called valiant Marathas, Rajputs and Khastriyas never forged alliance, though they professed loyalty to cultural and religious uniformity. Why? Indian tradition was never punctuated by unity and cultural bonds were never in action except during brief periods of military superiority of the Mauriyas and the Guptas. Threatened by Mlechh threat Hindu tradition reacted as snails or tortoises, folding itself inside and inventing hundreds of social sanctions binding the people with Sanskars, and Sanskriti shackles.
In Bengal, where the English-inspired reawakening took place beginning with Raja Rammohan Roy, the Derozio School of youths rebelled against the black traditions and mummified Sanskars of Hinduism and some of them embraced Christianity. Michael Madhusudan Dutt, the celebrated poet was the torch bearer of such social revolt. Caste rigidity, social inequality and injustice had also pushed many low caste Hindus to Islam and Christianity which promised equality and progress. Some of the present day mummified Hindu primates still consider the untouchables as societal insects.
The Shuddhi movement had initiated a new trend in Hindu zealots and the same practices are being pursued in Gujarat, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Tripura and several other states. The bloody battles of Kandhamal between Christian and Hindu tribes have set up a new trend, though India has distinct laws about forced proselytisation. The Christian missionaries should remember that Dharma is not a Legion which is part and parcel of Army of the Roman and Greek empires. Legion in the New Testament is described as a Demon. Mere addition of the alphabets RE does not make a Legion a spiritual body. India is no more open to religious Legionary assault, either forcible or through allurement. The same principle applies to the Tablighi Jammat and so-called Hindu Shuddhkaran zealots. Law of the land should apply to all zealots equally.
Instead of Shuddhikaran the Hindu bodies should reach the abandoned Hindu population with rays of hope like the Christian missionaries. Mere slogan of religion cannot assure the lowest strata of the people by dangling the carrots of Tradition, Sanskar and Sanskriti. Organised participation by the Hindu bodies, RSS etc, in financial, educational and economic uplifting would go a long way to assure the ‘achhyuts’ that there are some humanitarian concern in Hindu pantheon. Swami Vivekanand had said: those who serve the humanity serve the God. Has this principle been emulated by the rakshakas (protectors) of the Hindu society and tradition? The RSS should reconsider and revise their agenda and in addition to Go-Mutra and Go-Mal and Gau Mata veneration, pay little more attention to the distant Hindu communities known as Dalits. They should not only ritually worship the Mother Goddess. They should accept women-equality in every sphere of life. Babu Bajrangis and Muthaliks should be directed to honour women and treat them as equal social partners and to serve the neglected fringes of the Hindu society.
I had made several efforts to elicit information and definition of Hindu Sanskriti from my friends in the Araya Samajis and the RSS. Sanskar is a bundle of rituals which are injected in free minds from childhood as a part and parcel of Virasat, Khandan, Tehzib etc. What are the totems of culture? Dowry system? Child marriage? Female feticide? Child labour? Preference for Putra (son) against Putri (daughter)? Is it correct when illiterate RSS bigots assert that ‘the child that rescues ancestors from hell called Put is Putra? Is it a totem of culture to expect a woman covering up every inch of her body in the name of culture? If so, why these very guardians of Sanskar and Sanskriti throng the cinema halls to see scantily clad woman gyrating to the tune of foreign music? Why these pandas of Hindu Puritanism rush to the film festivals to witness near-naked female bodies. If they believe in purdah system why they challenge the Muslims for imposing Burqa on their womenfolk? Both are equally fundamentalists.
A venerated RSS friend tied to escape from my embarrassing question about moral policing by Ram Sena and Bajrang Dal etc. If these monkey brigades are family branches of the Sangh they should be answerable to the parent Sanskriti and Sanskar radiating body. If they are remote twigs of the BJP, the mother tree should own them or discard them as parasites. The Sangh has not openly condemned these social demons; the BJP government acted half-heartedly giving an impression that the seeming action is aimed at vote-bank protection. Why cannot the prime Hindu organisations condemn these monkey brigades openly and try to shun responsibility by saying that Muthaliks and Babu Bajrangis etc are individuals who are not permanent offshoots of the mother ideological body. These excuses are unacceptable. The broader society expect the guardians of Hindu Puritanism to redefine the concept of Sanskriti and Sanskar and allow the broader Hindu society to break the hated barrier of varnashram, bias against female child and accept that admixture of global culture with aboriginal culture. Admixture of culture that encompass changed concept of clothing, food and drinks preference, synthesisation of music and induction of new female-male relationship, recognition of gender equality and sex-preference are the realities of life that cannot be covered up under the rotten garbage of Sanskar and Sanskriti.
The concept of globalization of economy cannot be thwarted by ‘Swadeshi Jagran Manch’ and Swabhiman etc mummified movements. In spite of wasting time and energy behind such anachronistic concepts the protagonists linked to the Sangh Parivar should try to restore harmony in the broader Hindu society and establishing equilibrium between different religious communities. India cannot be united by the mere slogan of Ram Mandir and Ram Setu, both of mythical origin without any scientific proof. Hindu India, Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti alone cannot unify the nation. These are divisive concepts, suffering from the pre-partition hangover of Cultural differences between the Muslims and the Hindus. Cultural traits are bound to be different, because of social practices emanating from religious sanctions. This reality is required to be recognized and accepted as social reality that does not militate against One Nation One People concept that is the spinal cord of the Sovereign Republic of India. Positive Secularism is the soul of the constitution and not vote-bank secularism, which is being done by certain political parties. The concept of different Nations-different Countries has been buried in the history of troubled India.
The pronounced concept of One Culture one Nation refuse to recognize the kaleidoscopic variety of India, where different religion, social practices and segmental Sanskars and Sanskritis have come to stay side by side. The slogan of Cultural nationalism is misleading and divisive. In a multicultural country cultural unity is a chimera. Their coexistence does not militate against national unity.
The civilization of a country depends largely on own inherent cultural, ethical, moral and spiritual base. It nourishes holistic life style and shapes the culture. According to Oxford Dictionary, culture of a country denotes the way of people’s life, their customs, beliefs, attitude, and social set up. It also encompasses various arts, literature, music etc. The monkey brigades should understand the purest form of Bhartiya Sanskriti is not a unified concept from Kashmir to Kanya Kumari and Gujarat to Nagaland-Arunachal Pradesh. The formats of dances, temple designs, music etc are vastly different from northern India. The Hindus of eastern India have developed their own patterns of Sanskriti. The Hill states of the northeast are dominated by different denominations of Christianity and the Manipur Valley is dominated by Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Manipuri culture is different from cultural traits of the Hindus in Karnataka or Maharashtra. These regional differences add spices to Hindu concept.
The Muslims, despite differences in religion, have added rich ingredients to Indian culture. Music to dance to architecture to decorative arts was emulated from Persian and Central Asian cultural traits. These have been Indianised. No religious group can claim exclusivity of any Sanskar and Sanskriti in India. Many Sanskritic origin languages have borrowed from Persian/Arabic language. Urdu is the child of Indo-Persian etymological interaction. Dowry or Dahej system was borrowed by the Muslims from evil Hindu social practices. Hindu palates have been enriched by Mughlai and Avdhi cooking. Professing different religion, social practices do not make a people a different Nation. Variety is the soul of Indian culture. The Hindu chauvinists who clamour for Cultural Nationalism should understand that Indian culture is a kaleidoscopic concept. There is nothing called exclusive Bhartiya Culture and Tradition.
I would like to give a finishing touch to this mirror-polishing effort by referring to a recent experience suffered in Mumbai. Having grown with the ‘Bangal Kheda’ movement in Assam, ‘Bangali Hatao’ movement in Orissa and Bihar and ‘Amra Bangali’ stupidity in West Bengal. I did not expect insult and humiliation in the hands of ‘Marathi Manus’ in Mumbai, the city I love. On a visit to meet a writer producer friend I made an attempt to relive the younger days by ordering a chicken Pau Bhaji at the crossing of Peddar Road and Sofia College Road. As I merrily munched the dear Pau three young men accosted me and asked if I were a Bhai from Bihar. One of them raised slogan ‘Jai Maratha’ and pushed the tasty Pau out of my palm. I missed that Pau and I missed the Mumbai where I frequented to discharge my official work as a spy-master. I was reminded again the childhood Bengali lullaby: Chele Ghumalo, Pada Juralo, Bargi elo Deshe’ (The Bargis-Maratha plunderers-have come the child has gone to sleep and there is silence in the mohalla). It reminded me of Calcutta’s Maratha ditch. I failed to recall that valiant Maratha, Balwant Phadke was the first Indian revolutionary, who had left a Commissariat job and pioneered armed rebellion against the British. I hope I would not have to die in the hands of neo-Maratha Bargis who have adopted the poisonous weapon of parochialism. I could not join voice with the Bargi’s slogan of ‘Jai Maratha’ though I had in my heart the famous poem by Tagore eulogizing Chhatrapati Shivaji.
Jai Bharat-the Aasamudra Himachal Bharat!
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Saturday, February 4th at 18:32 Islam has its definite plan to ruin all the reminiscence of Hindu Heritage and History. From Hindukush to Hyderabad, Bamiyan to Kashmir Islam tells a destruction all along.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/328768/ramkot-fort-centuries-old-kashmiri-heritage-site-on-the-verge-of-destruction/
Ramkot Fort: Centuries-old Kashmiri heritage site on the verge of destruction
tribune.com.pk
Slackness from local authorities has led to the deterioration of the 500-year-old fort.
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Saturday, February 4th at 4:07 
Lord Varahadeva protected Mother EARTH from the Demon
vasati dasana-sikhare dharani tava lagna
sasini kalanka-kaleva nimagna
keshava dhrta-sukara-rupa jaya jagadisa hare
"O Keshava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari, who have assumed the form of a gigantic boar! All glories to You! ...Rajeev Khurana HARE KRISHNA
Saturday, February 4th at 7:30
Kakali Som om namo bhagobate basudebay
Saturday, February 4th at 15:06
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Friday, February 3rd at 21:35 
The Final fall of Islam.
The Final fall of Islam.
~ Upananda Brahmachari.
One may write many things about it. One can research and prepare a doctoral thesis. But I have not the time so far. ...Upananda Brahmachari THE EQUATION OF 786, EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW. What is 786 in Islam? One of my friend pointed out that the Muslim clerics teach the mystery very confidentially. 786=? 7th Century: Birth. 7+8=15th Century: Peak. 7+8+6=21st Century: Fall. 786 depicts the birth, rise and fall of Islam in this encapsulated chronicle of bloodiest phases of human history. Estagfirullah.أستغفر الله. It should not be public. Allah may be annoyed much. In shaa'Allah. إن شاء الله. PBUE. Peace be upon everybody including Allah and Mohammad(صلى الله عليه وسلم).
Saturday, February 4th at 8:37
Partha Kansabanik Great explanation- Great article.
Saturday, February 4th at 17:19
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Friday, February 3rd at 2:55Excerpts from the order of Justice BP Katakey, Hon’ble Judge, Gauhati High Court, given on February 1, 2012, in regard to the Writ Petition filed by North East Multimedia Pvt. Ltd. and our demand for justice, “Mr. Bhowmik, learned counsel appearing for the petitioner submits that the management of North East Multimedia Pvt. Ltd. is agreeable to pay whatever amount to which the concerned workmen are entitled to if the issues referred to the Industrial Tribunal are answered in favor of the workmen and against the management.”
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March 4th, 2009 @ 8:46 am
Mr. Dhar,
Don’t you think there is some contradiction in your stand on what you have written in this article and what you wrote sometime back “Newton’s third law of motion….”. The way you defended the actions of these thugs and goons in that ‘Newton’ article and the way you have criticised them in this article (Primates…) suggests to me that your recent experience in Maharashtra may have made you rethink your beliefs in the existence of such thuggish breed of people. If this is not true then what can explain this contradiction.
If a party (BJP+) cannot read the pulse of the nation then on what basis should we the citizens trust them to accurately read the pulses on national security ?
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March 4th, 2009 @ 8:59 am
Dear Sir,
A great article with befitting reply to the monkey brigades. We are not dancing naked on the streets. We are working women with families. What is the harm if we visit a bar or nay other place of entertainment? Hope you would continue to support Women’s liberation.
March 4th, 2009 @ 9:00 am
Thank you sir. Congratulation. We have a friend in the male community. Please write more on atrocious hold of the Mullahs on our society.
March 4th, 2009 @ 9:01 am
Dhar. You are a sex pervert. How many girl friends do you have? With how many you have gone to bed? You pig.
March 4th, 2009 @ 11:00 am
This is hillarious. I run a blog and recently defined Hindu Terrorism, http://blogs.frontierindia.net/index.php/what-others-say/2009/03/01/defining-rise-of-hindu-militancy (sorry for self promotion). Here is what I wrote:
Of late we see rise of Hindu Militancy. What excately is Hindu militancy? There are various versions of Hindu terrorism.
The Rama sene: It could be defined as molesting up town Indian women which are normally not avaliable to these Hindu country boys. Must be Muthaliks youth fantacies and frustrations.
The Bajrang Dal: Fantacy of raping Nun’s. Christian women are not easily avaliable to these Hindu boys.
Other terror: Hindu lady venting her frustrations after becoming a sadhvi.
Before you beat me up, burn my effigies and ransack the offices (if any) of the patriotic man running this good website, let me say some things about modern India Liberated women. You are pathetic, especially when you smoke too! . Your moms and dads did not want you to do this. You can send me pink chaddis too for this. You can send me more of your garments. All sizes, especially, the size of girls aged 0 – 15. I want to send them to orphanages in India where these unfortunate girls live. They require it to cover their nakedness. Its a waste of such garments for transvertites like yourselves and Muthaliks. There is little use for your genre. If you do not want to send them to me, you can send them directly to these instutions.
March 4th, 2009 @ 11:24 am
Thank you Mr. Dhar. I was trapped in that dastardly attack on the cafe. One of the goons drew me by hair lock and abused in filthy words. Hope these Primates would take a lesson or two from this article.
March 4th, 2009 @ 11:26 am
Mr. Dhar. You cannot blame the entire male community for the crime committed by a few. As you said there are Mullas both in Muslim and Hindu communities. We have to fight them.
March 4th, 2009 @ 12:11 pm
Are you a Hindu Dhar or a Mussalman? You are damaging Hindu interest. India belong to Hindus and Indian women have to follow Hindu sanskriti.
March 4th, 2009 @ 3:26 pm
Befitting tribute to women on the Women’s Day. Thankyou.
March 4th, 2009 @ 7:31 pm
Thank you sir. I am educated about woman power in the back drop of Indian tradition. I am a Christian but am moored in Indian tradition. Please lend more strength to us.
March 4th, 2009 @ 8:19 pm
dear sir,
these organisations which preach hindu sanskar are highly inspired by the islamic revelution of the middile east. my cousin was follower of one such hindu mullah. they even gave martial arts training, without ensuring if it wil be used for peaceful porposes(jehadi madrassas). this organisation wants to protect “hindu symbols” like muslims did during the danish cartoon episode. my cousin once told me in iran even dolls wear burqas, that reigion should be enforced other wise no one follows it. they want to set up a monarchy like taliban wants to set up caliphate. many of them claim to be kalki avtar. nonsense, they bring shame to hindu sanskriti
March 4th, 2009 @ 9:21 pm
You know this Rama Sena business has rubbed Hindus, Muslims and Christians the wrong way. Muslim terrorist were looking huge in India, but, Rama sena gave us Hindus a real bad name. I was looking at the idiots from Bajrang Dal with aghast when the stupid Rama sena poped up its ugly head. When Muslim terrorists were axing their own feet, our Hindu morons are competing with them now. The bajrang dal, Rama Sena, Raj Thakre have used this kind of stupid planks, when peeople have had enough of it.
Just go to the villages, you can find women drinking or smoking beedies or chewing tobacco. I can show you mangalore rural women smoking mangalore ganesh beedies and drinking arrack and that too from local arrack shops (equivalent of Pubs).
March 5th, 2009 @ 4:02 am
Since I’m a contrarian by nature let me take a view different from those of the majority in the forum. No I’m not gonna defend Ram Sene. Of course not, they deserve to be punished for assaulting these women. My opinion is that they are just some villagers and it is the village-urban divide that is the cause not Hinduism or Hindu Sanskriti. Some more questions.
1. Why so much media coverage on these 10-15 guys as if they are a threat to national security? And these guys are called “Hindu terrorists”? They may be goons but terrorists? Were they even armed in the first place? This coverage may even have surpassed Afzal’s coverage the guy who attacked Parliament.
2. Now just because of a bunch of goons the whole Hindu Sanskriti is bad and only has evils like dowry system, female foeticide, sati blah blah… So what good is Hindu Sanskriti right? That seems to be the logic. Ah how pathetic, Hindus themselves don’t know about Hinduism? First of all why do you think there are so many castes, sub-castes, languages, customs etc. in India? Take any other country in the world including China. The diversity within India is unmatched. In fact, the diversity in India is greater than the entire European Union by some estimates!! Now why is that the case? Here is my theory. Because India, despite Islamic conquests and fanatic evangelical cult, still has a Hindu ethos. Not only that, freedom and individual liberty are inherent to Hinduism. Hindus don’t follow one book, not even one god for that matter. So we have obviously some people even today doing Sati and committing female foeticide; practices which probably started during Islamic conquests!! The answer is educating them not blaming Hinduism. And this discrimination of “Dalit” is such an old psy-ops started by the British! There aren’t even “Dalits” technically in India. It’s an artificial group created by the West. India only has “scheduled castes”. In any case there are many examples in Indian history of “Dalit” kings. Caste system initially started out as “varna” system based on division of labor. The problems appeared much later when the system became ossified.
3. Now take Valentine’s Day and moral policing. V-Day is all about love. But in reality in India it is “love” mostly between teenage unmarried couples. So that means pre-marital sex in many cases (what is luv if you don’t score, that too if u r a teenager with a lot of hormone flow LOL). That would also mean a lot of teenage pregnancies because there is no good sex education in India. Now I’m okay with all these things as part of life. But is India and Indians ready? I’m not so sure. Furthermore, if these things are okay then India should also definitely be okay with nudity in movies, porn and even legalizing prositution!! The question of where India should draw the line (if at all she should) is very important and has to be debated.
4. Finally blaming BJP or RSS for this incident is ridiculous. Anyone who does that neither knows about Hinduism nor about BJP and RSS!! And calling these Ram Sene guys “Hindu Mullahs” is preposterous.
March 5th, 2009 @ 9:09 am
Dear Sir, This ARVI, whoever he is appears to be a lackey of the BJP. We have nothing to do with BJP. Even the author had made it very clear in Open Secrets that he had helped the BJP to oust Rajiv Gandhi. BJP had betrayed the author. Stupid ARVI should read that book. We, the womenfolk of Bangalore thank you for this excellent article that has unmasked the Hindu traditionalist. We are societal women and not from red light areas. We have our dignity. These fossilised traditions should now be buried along with fools like ARVI.
March 5th, 2009 @ 10:04 am
@14
“Even the author had made it very clear in Open Secrets that he had helped the BJP to oust Rajiv Gandhi. BJP had betrayed the author.”
Hmm.. Interesting !! So the IB was playing political games! Good to know. Don’t know if what you say is true but if it is, Thank God, at least we have RAW and 2 separate agencies for external and internal intelligence.
“We, the womenfolk of Bangalore thank you for this excellent article that has unmasked the Hindu traditionalist. We are societal women and not from red light areas. We have our dignity. These fossilised traditions should now be buried along with fools like ARVI.”
Hey speak for yourself not all the women in Bangalore!! And why do you have to say yourself u r not from RLAs? I never said that anywhere. Of course you can do whatever you want!! And why unnecessarily call me names? I was just raising some question. Looks like you couldn’t come up with a sensible rebuttal. The problem is without these “fossilized traditions”, Indians will get into a deeper rut of what it even means to be an Indian in my opinion. That does not mean I’m saying we should be like how we were 100 years back. Of course not but a balance has to be struck. Rejecting something old jus because it’s old is foolish.
Let me give you an example. Take France. Great country. Well known for its food, wine and women. And of course, its freedom. But when it came to Muslims wearing headscarf in public schools and universities, they BANNED it even though these Muslim women were wearing it out of FREE WILL. Do you know the reason? Well, its because it conflicted with their “traditional value” of secularism i.e. no “religion” wherever there is “govt” or “public” property. Hope you get the message.
March 5th, 2009 @ 11:37 am
Mr. ARVI or ARBI,
You are a determined anti-feminist. Why you mix up the Primates with RSS/BJP. The author has said that if RSS and BJP have nothing to do with the monkey brigade they should denounce such uncivil acts. Why are you silent about dirty Hindu Sanskriti?
March 5th, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Well done sir. We did not expect this. It is an honour to womanhood. We derive courage from you. Ignore fanatic Mullhas like ARVI.
March 5th, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
Dear Sir,
I welcome your idea. But sir, there are many women who are more atrocious than men. They rule like dictators and make lives of daughter’s in laws and others miserable. You should have written about female chauvinism as well. This is partial.
March 5th, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
Execellent sir. You have done a good job by unmasking the crudity of Hindu society as well as Muslim prudishness.
March 5th, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
Than you sir. In my neighborhood some frustrated lover threw acid bulb on the face of a pretty girl of 20. She an uncertain future. Even plastic surgery cannot restore her face. Such male pigs should slaughtered and not simply imprisoned.
March 5th, 2009 @ 7:45 pm
You are correct Dhar. The Imrana case and several such other cases illustrate that Muslim society is also infected by the primates. We need urgent reform of the Shraiat and Hadith rules. These are not fit for modern society.
March 5th, 2009 @ 8:54 pm
Arvi,
1. Its our business, majority of ours. What bother you? You can shut off the TV and media. You should speak for yourselves and not bother about the media. I have a question, if you find media unnecesseraly debating it, then, why are you debating it now? You should have considered this article also like other ones and shut up.
2. freedom and individual liberty are inherent to Hinduism. AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Being a Hindu, you are so stupid. It shames me. Why are the conversions taking place? Its because we trample on some others in the name of caste. You are worried about the conversions to christianity and islam? What about to Budhisim? Are you attacking them? I just want to know How does Hindism offers the big words you typed in?
And its British Psy Ops you mention, its one of the excuses you want to retain to opress the dalits. People like you are afraid that dalits will equal you once they convert and there will be no slaves left for you. I propose all Hindus should have same status as Brahmins. I want you to come in national media, identify yourselves and declare this. Not like a coward in assumed name. I am perfectly fine with my assumed name as I do not have such high and mighty requirement like yours. also it protects me from the likes of fundoos like yourselves and the sri rama sena enuachs.
3. “But is India and Indians ready? I’m not so sure.’
who is sure? A debate will help? A debate with whom? This is a talk shop country. Nothing ever comes out of a debate. So? What then? So, when the debate fails, whats the alternative? Come out with something constructive. and hey! tell this stupid logic to your Rama sena and ask them not to molest women. You have the guts?
4.) Show us where the author wrote all about BJP and RSS? What is wrong in calling rama sena as Hindu Mullas? Just talk for yourselves.
March 6th, 2009 @ 8:22 am
Many thanks Dhar sahab. We are grateful that you have made a frontal attack on the social pigs. In Punjab female foeticide is the highest. The Jat morons only want sons. WE women are unwanted in many homes. We have also been invaded by dowry system. Our simple Anand Karaz is a show. Look at the crores they spent in receptions, drinks and dances. Guru Nanak would squirm in his grave.
March 6th, 2009 @ 9:44 am
@22
“I have a question, if you find media unnecesseraly debating it, then, why are you debating it now?”
Oh media is debating it? That will be news to me (pun intended). Because right now media seems to be “targeting” Hinduism and Hindus not debating. But given the role of leftists, pseudo-secularists and Marxists in the media that is not surprising.
“You can shut off the TV and media. You should speak for yourselves and not bother about the media.”
I always speak for myself. And I will call out media bias especially when such bias affects the nation and national security. Like the stupid CNN-IBN who were showing live footage of special forces to terrorists!!
“Why are the conversions taking place? Its because we trample on some others in the name of caste.”
Nice try. Are you a recent convert? Or were you completely brainwashed by history textbooks in your school? Conversions are taking place because of mainly one reason — MONEY (that too only initially)!! Plus who told you they are not being “oppressed” and “trampled” after conversions? Catholic Church? Thank God at least we have RSS which helps in reconverting people back to Hinduism. Look I being a Hindu have no problem in what religion people practice and what God they worship. But when these guys start hating Hindus, destroying idols and Hindu culture that is when the problem arises. These guys should not be in India then.
” What about to Budhisim? Are you attacking them? I just want to know How does Hindism offers the big words you typed in?”
Hahaha this shows your ignorance. How many Buddhists are there in India, seriously? Anyway, I don’t consider “Hinduism” to be a “religion” in the strict sense (no single God, in fact there are 33 million Gods by one estimate; therefore no “my God is better than your God type of fight which characterizes Islam and Christianity and no single damn book; these are also the reason why “Hinduism” offers the “big words” I typed in) and Buddhism is mostly a part of “Hinduism” (Sankya and Mimamsa philosophies to be precise). You should look up what the Supreme Court says for what it means to be a Hindu.
“People like you are afraid that dalits will equal you once they convert and there will be no slaves left for you. I propose all Hindus should have same status as Brahmins. ”
Oh man you really are ignorant!! This Brahmin vs. Dalit thing is so much passe that even a tea shop owner in my local neighborhood knows it is not true. Seriously look up some info in the papers (vernaculars are much better than angrzi ones). You will find that most of the rivalry that takes place is “Vasihya” vs. “Dalit” or worse yet “Dalit” vs. “Dalit”. And please, Brahmins of UP are economically actually worse off than “OBCs” and even some “Dalits”. Now I’m convinced you are either a convert or a Pakistani!!
The rest of your post is childish and mostly even incoherent. Look, I am not saying that Hinduism is perfect. It has its warts and shortcomings. Since most of the forum is harping on the negatives, I will focus on the positives. And remember even great reformers like Ram Mohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Vivekananda and Aurobindo came from within Hinduism and not from outside.
March 6th, 2009 @ 9:47 am
What Maulvi Arvi and Maulvi Mutaliks do not understand is that its”us Hindus” who are protesting. Its not Muslims or Christians, its very own US Hindus. We universally protest maulvi Mohmmaed, maulvi antony or maulvi Muthalik. We ‘universally’ do not like our social rights and evolutions trampled upon by the three symbolic maulvis mentioned.
Sati was preached my maulvi Mutalik, it was self expression by the women. At the same time, thousands of Hindu women has given birth to Muslim off springs. Its a matter of choice.
prostitution was organised in ancient times and very much promoted by the likes of maulvi Muthaliks and maulvi Arvi in ancient times. Pre-marital sex was existing even then. But, women made a choice to get laid or or before ritual. It was again a societal choice.
What actually brought Hinduism to such a state described by Mr. Dhar? Its the maulvi Mutalik and maulvi Arvis who made Hinduism a bad religion. The varnas were need of “that” hour. Today the barriers are broken. Hindu Maulvi aka brahmin used to be high in society by birth and “not by karma.” and what karma they displayed was sleeping with devadasis, keeping rakhels etc. They even exploited other varnas for their own benefit. These mechanisations polarised the Hindu society. Even today maulvi Mutaliks are attempting the same.
There was resistence to Hindu maulvis even in ancient times, but, being is small pockets, it got snubbed. Today as Laws are different from the ones laid by Hindu maulvis, these people are using ancient techniques like physical intemidation (Bajrang dal, Sri Rama Sena) to undermine the constitution and the will of the people.
Terrorism kills, but, moral policing kills out atma. that is why 15 sri ram sena goons get more press than the 5000 odd terrorists. Mumbai siege saw people not buckling to terrorists as it s a physical attack and the terrorists will go away. But mangalore attacks shows that its more a psychlogical attack than the physical moleting by ram sena goons. The moral policing terrorises our very soul.
This is why I oppose the Hindu terrorism more. This is a terrorism of our minds and our souls. We do not want our dalits to remain dalits. No country can remain independent with their own people being opresseed. had the dalits who make most of the number in Indian population not been opresses, would British have ruled India?
I will touch upon one more point: Hindu culture. Hindu culture assimilates and changes. we need to let our sanskrity evelve with the modern times and we whould throttel any attampt by maulvi Muthaliks /RSS/ BJP/ congress/ Maulvis/ bishops etc to throttel it. It was throttled by some section of varna who called themselves upper cast. we should let our sanskrity evelve itself. we the people of ndia should decide how it evolves and not maulvi Mohmmaed or maulvi antony or maulvi Muthalik.
Jai Bharat mata
March 6th, 2009 @ 10:26 am
Hello Mr Dhar
Your article is a surprise because in your previous articles you was supporting these monkey brigades.
Regards
Arwinder Singh
March 6th, 2009 @ 12:08 pm
@ 24 Arvi
“Oh media is debating it? That will be news to me (pun intended). Because right now media seems to be “targeting” Hinduism and Hindus not debating. But given the role of leftists, pseudo-secularists and Marxists in the media that is not surprising.”
We regret that the debates don’t follow your defination oh high and mighty. A debate is a debate, even if its not pro Hinduism. Given the role of Hindu neo cons, debate should be pro Hinduism else its not a debate.
“I always speak for myself. And I will call out media bias especially when such bias affects the nation and national security. Like the stupid CNN-IBN who were showing live footage of special forces to terrorists!!”
Why does it sounds like a lie when you claim that you speak for yourselves. Media is media, like a debate is a debate. everything effects national security. In this instance, we are iscussing a debate on the Monkey brigads, don’t bring in useless examples.
“Nice try. Are you a recent convert? Or were you completely brainwashed by history textbooks in your school? Conversions are taking place because of mainly one reason — MONEY (that too only initially)!! Plus who told you they are not being “oppressed” and “trampled” after conversions? Catholic Church? Thank God at least we have RSS which helps in reconverting people back to Hinduism. Look I being a Hindu have no problem in what religion people practice and what God they worship. But when these guys start hating Hindus, destroying idols and Hindu culture that is when the problem arises. These guys should not be in India then.”
Oh, if i have a different opinion than yours I am a recent convert, get a life, fantastic. Now you have issues with Hindu haters. So how do you propose to make then pro hindu and make them look ito your definitions. Hinduism is under attack for centuries and nothing has brought it down. And RSS has converted them to what? its back to hate. I do not agree with you that Hinduism is Physical conversion. Hinduism is mental state of mind. Has RSS converted their minds too? they have forcefully converted. Its mosty counter productive. besides in past post you claimed that BJP/RSS are different set. You contradict yourself.
“Hahaha this shows your ignorance. How many Buddhists are there in India, seriously? Anyway, I don’t consider “Hinduism” to be a “religion” in the strict sense (no single God, in fact there are 33 million Gods by one estimate; therefore no “my God is better than your God type of fight which characterizes Islam and Christianity and no single damn book; these are also the reason why “Hinduism” offers the “big words” I typed in) and Buddhism is mostly a part of “Hinduism” (Sankya and Mimamsa philosophies to be precise). You should look up what the Supreme Court says for what it means to be a Hindu.”
HAHAHAHAH it shows your ignorence too. If you do not just read what court says, and follow it says, you would not have been barking. And Buddhism is a split out of Hinduism as it does not cnfirms to Buddhist way of life. hence you are a fool or even blind to suggest that its a part of Hinduism.
“Oh man you really are ignorant!! This Brahmin vs. Dalit thing is so much passe that even a tea shop owner in my local neighborhood knows it is not true. Seriously look up some info in the papers (vernaculars are much better than angrzi ones). You will find that most of the rivalry that takes place is “Vasihya” vs. “Dalit” or worse yet “Dalit” vs. “Dalit”. And please, Brahmins of UP are economically actually worse off than “OBCs” and even some “Dalits”. Now I’m convinced you are either a convert or a Pakistani!!”
Oh man, your ignorance shows too. You should read and then actually understand the vernacular press. brahmins are not just economically weaker, they are morally bankrupt too. Now am convinced that you are either a egoistic brahmin or a pakistani!!
“The rest of your post is childish and mostly even incoherent. Look, I am not saying that Hinduism is perfect. It has its warts and shortcomings. Since most of the forum is harping on the negatives, I will focus on the positives. And remember even great reformers like Ram Mohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Vivekananda and Aurobindo came from within Hinduism and not from outside.”
Entire post of yours is childish. You have to tell us about Ram Mohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Vivekananda and Aurobindo? Every hindu knows about it. Only pakistanis like you need think that its a news. we rever Ram Mohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Vivekananda and Aurobindo for reforms and we hit back on People like Muthaliks who force themselves on people.
March 6th, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
Arwinder Singh is a nitwit fool. Dhar had written Newton’s Third Law of Motion to emphasise Hindu reaction to Muslim terrorism. What has that got to do with the present article? Hope the sardar has some ghee in his brain.
March 6th, 2009 @ 10:52 pm
Every culture assimilates and changes not just Hindu culture. Only the degree of change and assimilation differs. So I’m not saying it should be frozen. Of course not. But to attack Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti just because of a dozen goons is amateurish and lazy thinking.
@27
Read what you have written carefully. You don’t seem to be differing much from me. And your recent post and the earlier one are contradictory in many aspects. Only one point though.
“Hinduism is mental state of mind. ”
Nope it’s much more than that. But you seem to agreeing with me that “Hinduism” is not a religion. So why view Hinduism and Buddhism as different “religions” which is a mostly Western interpretation.
March 7th, 2009 @ 9:04 am
@ 29
“Every culture assimilates and changes not just Hindu culture. Only the degree of change and assimilation differs. So I’m not saying it should be frozen. Of course not.”
Oh what a mighty climbdown from moral high horses. What do you think is being said here?
“But to attack Hindu Sanskar and Sanskriti just because of a dozen goons is amateurish and lazy thinking.”
The hindu goons were attacked for “their interpretation” of Hindu culture. here we are talking about teaching Hindu culture to goons. You should think, even lazily, it will help you not putting your foot in you mouth any more.
“Read what you have written carefully. You don’t seem to be differing much from me. And your recent post and the earlier one are contradictory in many aspects. Only one point though.
“Hinduism is mental state of mind. ”
Nope it’s much more than that. But you seem to agreeing with me that “Hinduism” is not a religion. So why view Hinduism and Buddhism as different “religions” which is a mostly Western interpretation.”
You have not said thats earth shattering. what you stated is obvious, hence you see the convergence of ideas, which is nothing but whats obvious. But I thank you for discovering it. It will help you in future. care to explain, what much more of Hinduism?
Buddhism is a religion which has defined itself. I neither agree with your interpretation and I have no clue whats the western interprettation.
March 7th, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
Hi Dear all,
There are many people who claim to be hindus, but they dont have even the basic know about their religion.
How many of you have read Bhagvat Gita???
Sharam se kaho hum hindu hai!!!!
We dont know the basic scripture of Sanatam Dharam ie Bhagavad Gita and claim that we are hindus. How many of you can explain about atma, Paramatma, etc etc. Read Bhagavad Gita and all the problems will be solved.
regards
March 7th, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Hi,
1) Due to poor fund of knowledge people say there are 3.3 million gods in Hinduism and laugh. Well first know the scriptures of Hinduism and then propose your stupid baseless ideas. There is only one God and the rest all are demigods.
To know about who is that god and what is the difference between God and demi-gods please read Bhagavad Gita As It is. One can read it online from a good site-
http://www.asitis.com/
2) There are divisions in all the faiths also, not to speak about the divisions of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Shudras etc in Hinduism.
These division were based on guna and karma as described in Bhagavad Gita.
chatur-vvarnyam maya srstam guna-karmma-vibhagasah (Bhagavad-gita: 4.13)
Well you have divisions in all the faiths and society. Can you deny it?
you have division of rich-poor, literate-illiterate, white-black, etc etc.
But the divisions of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Shudras is given by Krishna Himself and it is based on guna and karma.
But we have not forgotten that and say that one who is born in a Brahmin family is a brahmin even though his activities are of the lowest grade.
Well if we have cataract then popping the eye out is not the solution. We should try to understand Bhagavat Gita first. Its basic scripture of Sanatam Dharma.
regards
March 7th, 2009 @ 5:49 pm
Thank you sir, we are tired of feminist women stalwarts. The way you have hit the head of the nail is very effective. Hope our male friends will draw some lesson and inspiration.
March 7th, 2009 @ 11:29 pm
“To know about who is that god and what is the difference between God and demi-gods please read Bhagavad Gita As It is.”
I’ve read the Bhagavad Gita. There is nothing called “demi-god”, not to my understanding. Even though some of the Hindu scriptures says “One god” but it also says “ekam sat vipra bahuda vadanti” meaning though the Truth is one there are many ways to preach it. Essentially what you have in Hinduism is “poly anthropo-morphic” God. Also there are atheistic schools of Hindu philosophy and do not forget “aham brahmasmi” of Advaita philosophy. If you can imagine one God I personally don’t see a problem with a multiple gods. “Bhakthi” tradition started pretty late in Hinduism.
And Budhism is a “well defined religion” is a bogus argument. Yeah there were some pretty rigid rules (e.g. non-violence, austerity etc.) initially laid out by Buddha but many Buddhists do not care much about these things these days (an example is Sri Lankan Army that personifies the Buddhists that elected it). And that is a good thing IMO. Because “well defined” means rigid and ossified, and unable to change. So it is good that Hinduism is not “well defined” (by the way, saying that if you don’t follow my religion you will end up in hell or I will kill you if you are an “unbeliever” is a sign of extreme hubris and ignorance and probably even dementia and mental delusion) and further substantiates my case that Hinduism inherently believes in freedom and individual liberty. But that doesn’t mean it is correct to repeatedly bash Hinduism and highlight just the negatives. That is just plain psy-ops, just like the British did and Pakistanis across the border are doing. That is also going to generate a backlash for sure. And people claiming that “moral policing” by some policewallahs in some public places like parks is “Hindu terrorism” is ridiculous and laughable. Why don’t they get out and vote for the other party next time if they don’t like “moral policing” so much?? My last post on this.
March 8th, 2009 @ 3:55 pm
Dear Sir, In the context of India and the subcontinent this is an excellent expose of women’s condition. Let me add that though largely liberated women in the so-called free democracies are also subjected to domestic violence and oppression. Thank you again.
March 9th, 2009 @ 8:57 am
Dear Sir,
Your article is very timely. Even in Pune police go for moral policing, women are subjected to taunts and harrasment by roadside Romeos. Hopefully the younger lot at least would realise that gender equalisation is a must for progress.
March 9th, 2009 @ 7:30 pm
You are kind to women. But do not condemen every man. We are equally respectful of women and believe that they are entitled 50% of the pie in all spheres.
March 9th, 2009 @ 10:33 pm
After Arwinder Singh‘s interpretation of ‘The Geographical Pivot of History’ by Halford Mackinder and Sikhism, we have another Ponga Pundit Arvi with interpretation of Gita and Budhism!
Right, somebody beam me up.
March 10th, 2009 @ 3:26 pm
Dear sir,
I am moved by your article. Bening a man (gender) you have done better than any women advocate for women’s cause. We are Indian women and respect our tradition. That does not mean that we would put burka on us and behave like domestic slaves. I agree that RSS/BJP should openly declare condemnation of these monkey brigades.
March 11th, 2009 @ 4:44 am
@39
“I agree that RSS/BJP should openly declare condemnation of these monkey brigades. ”
Why the heck when Ram Sena is in no way affiliated to RSS or BJP? It is like saying if there are some Catholics somewhere who are committing armed robbery, the Pope should apologize!! What BS!! Heck, he didn’t even apologize for the “mischief” going on inside the Church but I’m going off-topic here. Plus Advani already said it is regrettable, check it up!!
March 11th, 2009 @ 8:55 am
Dear Sir,
Again writing from Bangladesh. Your article is equally applicable to my country where the mullhas have made our lives miserable. Outside big cities we have no freedom. Hundreds of sharait rules are imposed on us, even bathing in open pond is said to be a sin. What do we do with this kind of Islam?
March 11th, 2009 @ 2:43 pm
Mangalore incident was the last thing BJP wanted during this election time.
Ram Sena is an org. of idiots.
March 11th, 2009 @ 3:50 pm
If these monkey brigades are not parts of BJP why does not Advani condemn them? BJP cannot win heart of people by encouraging hatred. This has happened in Kandhamal in Orissa. BJP should have firmly acted against those killers. I am sorry for BJP’s pains in Orisaa but the leaders should learn lessons. While in power they want to behave as kings and queens. Same thing happened to Maharani Scindhia in Rajasthan. People do not want Hindu rashtra. They want roti, kapda aur makan.
March 12th, 2009 @ 9:02 am
Dhar.
Your item has tried to malign RSS/BJP. They are not responsible for the age old Indian sanskar and sanskriti. These are built in evils of our society. But I agree that the monkey brigades should be restrained and an atmosphere of tolerance should be created by the RSS, VHP and the BJP. Otherwise they have no chance in Indian politics.
March 12th, 2009 @ 5:15 pm
Sir,
I am moved by your article. I was more impressed when you spoke at Siri Fort on International Women’s Day during your book release of Shakti. I am proud that a male is so eager to protect women’s rights.
March 14th, 2009 @ 8:53 am
Sir,
I am surprised that very few male readers have responded to your scathing attack on the monkey brigade who denigrate women. These people are so shameless that they think women as personal property. You must have read how an IIT engineer threw his own baby into a well as his wife did not like to abort or kill the child. What do we do with such demons?
I think your article should be voted the best contribution on the ocassion of International Day of Women.
March 14th, 2009 @ 8:55 am
Thank you sir. It is a good tribute to woman. Would you like to address a women’s society in Chandigarh? Do let me know’, we would organise it.
March 14th, 2009 @ 9:01 am
Sir, Thank you. I have just finished your book on women power-SHAKTI. It is really the best short stories I have read in recent times. Please write more.
March 15th, 2009 @ 10:58 am
Sir, the Parivar people have not learnt any leson. They have again thwarted setting up of a statue of Charlie Chaplin on plea that it that of a Christian. This was being done for shooting of a film. Tell us what should we do. We are goung to defeat BJP in the forthcoming election.
March 16th, 2009 @ 10:16 pm
“Sir, the Parivar people have not learnt any leson. They have again thwarted setting up of a statue of Charlie Chaplin on plea that it that of a Christian.”
Oh come on now. Show me one quote by an RSS guy who said the same thing that u said. Pleazzzzzzeee!! The issue here is erection of a statue right in front of the temple (NOT WHETHER CHARLIE CHAPLIN WAS A CHRISTIAN OR BUDDHIST!!). I mean why do these morons always want to erect statues right in front of temple (another case was Periyar statue right in front of Srirangam temple) as if there is no other space in India!! And the article in TOI-let newspaper that says this is what is called psy-ops in intelligence business. Look it up if u don’t know what it is. You might also want to look up GOEBBELS in Google.
March 17th, 2009 @ 8:56 am
Dear Arvi is incorrigible Hindu fanatic. Why can’t Hindus tolerate a statue of Tamil pride in front of a temple? What was the harm if a statue only for film shooting purposes was installed near a Temple. By Parivar I men the extended monkey brigades of the RSS and BJP. In this election time they are axing their own feet, Even a Knight Templar ARVI cannot rescue them from sure defeat.
March 17th, 2009 @ 9:56 am
Sumati Ponappa ,
These Arvi types eek a living out of misery. They have ulterior motives. These types are not the Knights Templar we will have in future. They are just plain thugs.
March 17th, 2009 @ 4:29 pm
Sir, I like the article. Sorry that your chicken Pau was disturbed by the SEna goons. You are welcome to our home for Pau and many other Marathi delicacies. We live at B/32 Sofia College Road. Please do come whenever you are in Mumbai next.
March 17th, 2009 @ 6:52 pm
“Why can’t Hindus tolerate a statue of Tamil pride in front of a temple?”
I am sorry, how is he a source of Tamil pride exactly? What did he do for Tamil language or culture exactly? You are probably confusing EVR with MK. But anyways he was an atheist; not only that goons who revered EVR destroyed temples like Srirangam and attacked the murthis inside; all this is well documented. He also used to destroy Ganesh murthis publicly during Ganesh Chaturthi. Besides all this, your ignorance or arrogance or both prompts you to ask the above question.
“What was the harm if a statue only for film shooting purposes was installed near a Temple.”
That is a wrong premise. First, the reason is a “secular” one, i.e. the temple faces the sea and there are RULES and REGULATIONS which prohibit a 60 ft “private” statue near the sea so the point that Charlie Chaplin is a Christian or not is irrelevant. Why don’t people get it? Second, as I have said before, India is such a huge country why do some morons always want to build statues right IN FRONT OF temples? What is the point exactly? Why don’t we have any Periar staues in front of churches or mosques. Anyways I think the director shamelessly wants to publicize his film and the angrezi media has obliged him with their psy-ops.
“By Parivar I men the extended monkey brigades of the RSS and BJP. ”
Again give me the source where some one from Bajrang Dal says that “We oppose this because Chaplin was a Christian”
“In this election time they are axing their own feet, Even a Knight Templar ARVI cannot rescue them from sure defeat.”
First off, I am not a Knight Templar. Neither am I a spokesman for BJP. I am jus trying to educate some people who have fallen for the “pseudo-secularism” and “anti-Hinduism” of the Left. That said, don’t be so sure of yourself when it comes to politics. Anything can happen in politics. Nobody, least of all you I suppose, was able to predict the meteoric rise of the BJP in the last 20 years. Why do you think that happened? Hint: It didn’t happen in a vacuum. Now what has changed so much in the last 10 years with respect to ground situation that you are absolutely positively sure that BJP can’t repeat what it did in 1999? IMO, BJP has only grown somewhat stronger with them now governing Karnataka and slowly making inroads into even Keral and WB!!
Hinduism, in general is a very questioning type of religion as I have said before. There is no one damn book or one God that you have to necessarily worship! Heck I know a lot of Hindus including myself who have gone to Shrine Velankanni and Nagur Darga for worship. Now that does not mean you can take advantage of Hindus and do whatever you can to Hindus and their places of worship.
March 18th, 2009 @ 10:41 am
Quotable quotes from Arvi,
This takes the cake
“I am jus trying to educate some people who have fallen for the “pseudo-secularism” and “anti-Hinduism” of the Left.”
There is a saying in one of the south Indian languages. Everyone knows why the bull has lifted his tail. (for types of Arvi, will now sloganeer that baal hamara baap hai, aur bajette ki, hindu dharam khatre me hai here is the hint: its either for urin or dung).
You are right that you are not a Knights Templar, but, you fell short of explaing that you are a mere thug.
Oh, by the way, BJP just lost my vote, courtesy Varun Gandhi. It joined the ranks of commies and kangressis.
March 18th, 2009 @ 11:13 am
The “Save Hinduism campaign” has boomranged on us and counter productive because of “Save Hindu campaign.” I used to be and still am supporter of same campaign. But the way it has turned to is of not my liking any more. We lost the battle the day we started attacking fellow Indians. This is not my vision. This has turned out to be Save Hindu than Save Hinduism. There is a difference. I do not like the likes of “pseudo-secularist” and the “Anti religion Left’ and the “Right Wing Hindus.” Three undesirables. But, as the world exists of the three.
let me put this for records that “Save Hindu campaign” is not by us who follow “Save Hinduism campaign.” There is no second thought among Hindus on the “Save Hinduism Campign,’ the resistence of “Save Hindu campaign” is showing. Even when you read this debate here, its clear that the hardliner Arvi has no friends here at the same time, every one has in their own ways tried to define Hinduism. Its heartening that baring one person, rest debators are very clear on Hinduism. There is hope.
May god bless us all and give some sadh buddhi to the “pseudo-secularist” and the “Anti religion Left’ and the “Right Wing Hindus.”
March 18th, 2009 @ 3:13 pm
For Tanushree Pathak & Others.
I can be reached at maloy39@gmail.com. REgards.
March 18th, 2009 @ 8:40 pm
Welcome Mutalik in West Bengal.
The Ramsenee Chief Promod Mutalik now restricted by the Court for entering into Mangalore district. Every body fear Babu Bajrangee and Mutalik . Sri Maloy krishna Dhar also. These notorious persons (as portrayed by Shri Dhar) do their heinous activities by spreading a fear psychosis amongst the muslim and christian minorities in India.
Sri Dhar is a Resource Person as I consider like many others. So he does know better the fear psychosis of minority hindus in many places in India and specially in West Bengal. In Malda, Murshibad, Rajabazar , Khidderpur , Magrahat in interiors of ‘muslim bangla’ in West Bengal or so many ‘Mini Pakistan’ every where in India from Srinagar to Hyderabad, Azamgarh to Anantnag . Babu Bajrangi or the Promod Mutalik may be by-product of that persecuted reality.
There were 16% hindus in West Pakistan around 1947 . They have pulled down to 1.85% now.
There were 29 % hindus in East Pakistan in 1947 and 22% hindus in Banglsdesh in 1971. Now only 9% hindus exists there.
WHY ? The simple answer is this, that Hindu Dharma is quite reluctant to produce any Babu Bajrangi or Promod Mutalik to resist the muslim fanatics and goons for the protection of Hindu life, Hindu temples , Hindu women, Hindu sentiment and Hindu Desh like Lahore, Khulna, Jesshore etc.
The Pub-attack so far generated in the style of moral policing had a sensational connection with a free mixing of a hindu girl with a muslim boy. This is now a trend to seduce hindu girls by many ways by the valiant muslim boys within the parameter of our permissive civil society. So, Rizwanoor can do anything with Priyanka Todi. But Rajat Sarkar in WCD&SW Deptt. in Writers Buildings is to be seriously threatened by the brother of his muslim wife. Or the Sushanta Prasad of Baharampore area is to be murdered by the relatives of his muslim wife, Manera. Or Arka Bandopadhya of Barasat Chowdhury Para is to be burnt seriously for marrying his beloved Rehenna Sultana in recent times. (pl visit the site http://www.hindusamhati.org and samhati sangbad , Sept 2008 Issue in that site). These are the non-issues. The Riz case is the only issue to be discussed, investigated and so so on the street show.
Muslims never allow their girls and women to any body. We know their activities like honor- killing etc. But we have to allow our girls and women to the muslims in the name of secularism, women liberation and total surrender to Islam. So there is only way to condemn these Ram Senee and others.
I want to give a statistics to Sri Dhar. In a hindu majority area ( Hindu 55% , Muslim 45%), in one Sub-divisional Town my three Marriage Register friends mature 40-60 marriage between hindu bride and muslim groom in a week under Special Marriage Act, depending the marriage days fall in muslim calender.
And if Ram Senee or others try to save the situation of statistical imbalance found in the abnormal growth rate in muslim population, bangladeshi infiltration or womb-drain in hindu society, you may discard the same. But we people support them also. Permissive Womb-drain, uprooting Hindu girls & women from hindu religion is not a proper way Worship of Devine Mother cult or the empowerment of hindu women so far.
In his recent Article “Indian Primates : Buried Below Permafrost Of Sanskriti”, Shir Dhar (http://www.maloykrishnadhar.com) resented about the reconversion in hinduism from forcefully or allured or situationally converted Hindus. I may quote only from Swami Vivekananda in this respect.
Rules and Regulations of the Ramakrishna Math Belur, Framed by SWAMIJI in 1897-98 pages 19-29
” Plan of Work for India – 1. When the Muslims first came to India, there were, according to their historical records, sixty crores Hindus in India. This calculation suffers rather from under estimation than exaggeration; for lots of people perished solely through the persecution of the Muslims. Therefore it is obvious that the number of the Hindus was even more than sixty crores- on no account less than that. But today the same Hindus have dwindled into twenty crores. Over and above that, about two crores of people have become Christians and more than a lakh of people are becoming Christians every year. It is special for preservation of the Hindu race and religion Bhagavan Ramakrishna, the embodiment of mercy, has incarnated himself.”
Respected Swami Laxmanananda Swaraswati in Kandhamal , Orrissa actually realised the message of Swami Vivekananda and His Holiness swamiji started to reconvert the converted hindu tribes again in Hinduism. The Traders of Poverty in India@ Christian Missionaries took the matter as a challenge to Christianity in India and they culpably murdered the Revered Swami with the help of Anti India – Anti Tradition Maoists, very active in India to destabilised this country with the help of Chaina.
Swami Laxmana was might be inspired by the specific directive of Swami Vivekananda …” 20. Great effort should be made to bring even Muslims and Christians into the hindu fold… ibidem, page 26).
But we only hurl upon the situation without the pretext. Actually this can happen only we the Hindu People Intelligentsia are being alienated from our Hindu Roots, both physically and mentally. This is not good as Vivekanada maintains that… ” For whoever goes out of the Hindu religion, is not only lost to us, but we have in one more enemy…” (ibidem, page 24).
On the other hand we do not want loose Babu Bajrangi or Promodji from Hindu fold nor we see them as an enemy of Hindus anyway.
We intelligentsia people write books, spread websites, make blogs, give lectures and so on. But we never protect the hindu girls- women from molestation, rape or trafficking by the muslim goons. Nor we be able to protect the temples vandalized by the Muslim Fundamentalists. Hindu property, land , prestige,everything. But some times these Promod Mutaliks, Pragya Sing Thakurs and Sameer Achanaks and Bhalluks try to save Hindus from their ruin caused by Islamic Persecuters and inactive police, paramilitary and administration. Situation heightened these Promod Mutaliks. People shout – LONG LIVE MUTALIK .
Though Promodji have been restricted in the Mangalore , I welcome him in West Bengal, where his type is mostly felt urgent.
Thank you Sri Dhar for provoking me to write a long.
March 18th, 2009 @ 10:00 pm
This advice is really going to help, thanks.
March 19th, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
Tanushree Pathak is unusally harsh. She has missed the thrust of the article. It is not about Hindu-Muslim rift and Muslim growth in Bengal. It is about injustice to women
March 19th, 2009 @ 5:35 pm
@ tanusree pathak
Whats your opinion of the Hindu man who converted to Islam and then married twice and then divorced the muslim woman. Did your Hindu fan boys go and reconvert him to Hinduism?
Everyone takes advantage.
another point,
Hindu girls are so innocent that bad muslim males can mislead them and then do all that you said.
So, you require the vaner sena to pull down the skirts and undergarments of Hindu girls and feel them in the name of sanskriti.
You can invite the desperate vaner sena to west bengal where they can find desperate poor muslim girls to fulfill their fantacies. You can even offer your daughters.
Just keep your dirty hands away from our daughters. If you have a fantasy, you live with it.
March 20th, 2009 @ 8:25 am
For Tanushree,
You are a queer lady. Dhar has defended women against unqouth attack by Monkey Brigade. He has addressed social injustices against women. There is no mention of Hindu-Muslim communalism in the essay. He has his views on conversion, with which I agree. Do you want Muttalik and Babu Bajrangito undress all women on street and burn them on the stakes? What do you expect from these cowards? To fight the Muslims? Why you cannot do it? Have the Bengalis been dead? You are a strange woman Tanu. You should apologise.
March 20th, 2009 @ 7:21 pm
Dear Sir,
It is indeed a great article. I admire your courage the way you take on everybody. One who does not fear can alone speak the Truth.
March 21st, 2009 @ 8:45 am
I am concerned on the issue of reconversion by Hindus. If Muslims and Christians have right to convert the Hindus must have the same right. The laws of the country unduly favour the Muslims and Christians. Article 25-30 of the Constitution has created permanent division and separatism in the country. These must be abolished under a new System Change programme. Mr. Dhar should speak out in favour of the Hindus; if he is Hindu himself.
March 21st, 2009 @ 8:48 am
The Muslim society is equally cruel to womwn. Quran, Shriat and Hadith treat Muslims as slaves. All Islamic scriptures should be reformed to liberate the women. I agree with Dhar
March 21st, 2009 @ 8:50 am
Welcome Sir. You have the best job on this year’s International Women’s Day. I was at Siri Fort function on 8th March. Your book release (SHAKTI) function was brief, but you spoke nicely. We want to hear you in Pune. Would you come if we invite?
March 21st, 2009 @ 3:59 pm
Dhar,
You are anti-Hindu a foreign monkey. You imitate the west blindly. Are you a damn Kashmiri, tailless Pundits who were rightly thrown away from the valley. Nehru, Indira, Raiv and now this toddler Rahul are worst types of Pundits. You stop spreading hatred against Hindu sanskriti. We like our women to follow Hindu tradition and not drink whisky in bar and dance in discos. Why don’t you send your wife and daughter to the disco?
March 21st, 2009 @ 6:06 pm
You moron prehistoric A HINDU. Mr. Dhar lost his wife to cancer in 2001. He has no daughter. Why do not send your wife and daughter, at my cost, to the disco in Delhi? Come and try your manhood. You coward!
March 21st, 2009 @ 10:26 pm
As per credible sources, the great patriot Arvi lives in Columbus, OH, USA.
March 22nd, 2009 @ 2:35 am
Finally u become anti hindu.You commented alot about hindus.But feeling fear to speak about Muslims and others.
March 22nd, 2009 @ 2:36 am
Insulting Hindus.
March 22nd, 2009 @ 2:37 am
Insulting Hindus.
March 22nd, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
Hi Raghu,
What is wrong you guy? Dhar has attacked certain abominable practices of so called Sanskriti loving Hindus, who have forgotten the beacon of times. Get cool and think again chum.
March 22nd, 2009 @ 10:39 pm
Dear Mr.Modi
Nothing wrong on me.Can u tell me what is the relevency between womans day has with genocide.Every religion has done genocide.I am not justifying genocides.But why always targeting hindus.As well as the Mr.Maloy Krshna Dhar is concerned,he tells many thing about the history,i too know about the history.The truth from the history,first india faced aggression from mughals emperors,they killed innocent hindus b’cas they are hindus and demolished the temples to built the mosque.And then christians,came to india in the name of trade and made us slaves in our homeland and killed innocent indians for nothing.Can Mr.MALOY KRISNHA DHAR ACCEPT THIS.Basically iam lover of histroy and i too like Mr.MALOY KRISNHA DHAR b’cas he worked for indias secuirty and good observer of histroy.But this is the only article,which i dont like.
As far as Ram sena is concerned,They want popularity,for that they targeted especially womans.By on calling the medias at crime zone it is clearely proved.This peoples should spent there life in jail.
The Truth is hindus are very less aggressive peoples in the world.in that case just branding hindus as very aggressive, will hurt a common indians.
March 23rd, 2009 @ 8:42 am
Well Mr. Raghu,
I ask a few questions? Your history is Very poor. Muslim invasion did not start with the Mughals. It started with the Arabs in early 8th century, They occupied up to Multan. Later Gazhni destroyed Somnath several times. Than came the Afghan/Pathan sultanates and finally came the Mughals. They were the last to come.
Next point is: When the Muslims came, looted, raped, destroyed temples, convertedpeople what your Great Hindus were doing? Cooking meat dishes for the Muslim invaders. If a people-Hindu-cannot defend itself it deserves slavery.
I am sorry your knowledge is poorer than a class X student, shame on you mad paranoid irrational Hindus. If you are a real Hindu try to remove the ills from Hindu society. Don’t be blind to our own ills. We are divided in cursed caste system. Try to unify all the Hindus. What Dhar has criticised is madness of paranoid Hindu sanskriti fanatics. Try to understand you moron.
March 23rd, 2009 @ 8:48 am
Raghuji, Arvi etc,
I congratulate Dhar for boldly attacking anti-women Hindu fanatics. I find some people from Bengal want to invite Muttalik and Babu Bajrangi to their state to imprison women behind close doors. They cannot stop Hindu-Muslim inter marriage and want Muttalik help. These Bengal idiots should find out why Hindu girls and boys get attracted to Muslims. Is is because of social synthesis or being done by force? They should answer these first. Anti-women fanaticism cannot be supported.
March 23rd, 2009 @ 8:55 am
Dear Mr. Raghu,
Thank you for calmly putting up your points.
Consider this
1) Your mother, sister and daughter go out and they get molested (yes!) for not wearing burkha. You might think that its too far fetched as Rama Sena has attacked pub goers only. My friend its just the beginning. You think they want to “just” popularise themselves, we think not by molesting out women. In Hindu culture, the izzat of women is paramount. we have had all kinds of women in past. We had straight, lesbians, tom boys, drunkards, prostitutes, respectable etc. in the past too. Didn’t we have madhushala in history we read? Educating parents would have been accaptable, but, not molesting women.
2) every region has genocide. What do you mean by that? So let Rama Sena kill, mime and molest our women?
3) Muslims came and British came; Muslims came and never conquered us. They ruled our us, but we are still Hindus. we are talking about half a century or more of Muslim and christian rule. Now christians form just 3% of Indian population? Muslims form much larger 13.4%. Us Hindus form a whooping 80.5% of our population. So how have we been effected? Have we lost our culture? who has defeated us. The british (not christians, christianity came before british) were helped by whom? our own zamindars and thakurs etc. Who were chief allies of Muslim rulers? Again the Hindu kings. Oh, we also offered our women for marriage to the Muslim ruleers. You are histor reader, you should know this better.
The point I want to make is, why do we hindus get hurt every time? Its simple, we lack unity. We attack our own. Why blame dhar for telling the truth? why blame christians? The amount of noise on christian conversions and the christian population is just 3%? And when the Muslim/ british rule came, the people who were their right had men were not Davids, Thomas or George, it was Thakur, Pandit and we Hindu upper class power pimps and whores.
Entire Congress prostrates before Italian. Even the BJP Advani also prostrates (after being anti-italin for a lng time) because he wants to be the prime minster. While you apply for a job, you our your kin wants to be an MNC. You want foreign chocolates. You want US/UK/Dubai jobs. You or your kin wants to wear western outfits (oh! sarees are so cumbersome).
Who is to blame?
March 23rd, 2009 @ 3:19 pm
After all has been said by Ms Pthak from Bengal, Raghu, Arvi etc I as a Mangalorian victim of Muttalik was to thank Mr. Dhar for raising the issue on the eve of International Women’s Day. Very few males have the chivalry to come ahead like this. Let the women of India have equal rights with men. We do not want Hindu Talibans in India.
March 23rd, 2009 @ 6:43 pm
Its origins in labour movements, protesting poor working conditions and low wages in the textile industry, are still relevant today. In many parts of the world women still struggle for recognition of their value to the economy, and for equal pay. Poverty rates are highest in female-headed households with children.
This year, as we move towards the World Summit on Sustainable Development, it is fitting that women’s contribution to development should be acknowledged. Their potential to drive change should be recognized. In many places, although women have yet to gain equality, they are helping to move their families and communities out of poverty. With a little more support, so much more could be achieved.
Water is of great importance to sustainable development. Women often shoulder the responsibility for household water supply and purification. This may mean walking many hours per day, time and energy, which could be more usefully devoted to educating children, or on income earning activities. There must be investment in integrated water resources management, to release this energy.
In developing countries, women are responsible for up to 80% of food production. These women are the most severely affected by natural disasters and climate change. In an attempt to provide for their families, they are the first to go hungry. Food security must feature on the Johannesburg agenda.
The use of traditional biomass energy has a profound effect on women’s health. Exposure to high indoor smoke levels results in lung disease and pregnancy related problems. These women also spend a significant amount of their time and energy carrying heavy loads of fuel, which affects their health too. Renewable energy, at an affordable price, is essential to free women from this burden and enable economic development.
Sustainable development can only be achieved if there is equality for women. Women can only realize their true potential, if they have access to education and play a full role in the communities’ decision-making processes. Their understanding of the environment and its problems, and their role as educators, has to be used to ensure that the environment as a resource is valued and respected, and used for the benefit of all.
The Platform for Action, adopted in Beijing in 1995, calls for greater recognition of women as guardians of the environment. It calls for enhanced participation of women in the management of environmental resources and the reduction of environmental risks to women. I urge governments, the private sector and individuals to work together to move beyond rhetoric and take ACTION to improve the quality of life of women everywhere.
March 23rd, 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Women’s rights are human rights and should be treated as such. To quote President K. R. Narayanan from a speech he made at the Convention on Liberal Values in New Delhi on January 6, 1996 “…. It would be seen that in the evolution of human civilization, economic, cultural, social, civil and political aspects have come together to produce what are now called human rights. At the heart of the human rights lie rights and values associated with the individual human being, which in modern parlance or rather western parlance, are called liberal values, but which are inherent in every civilization of the world”. Recently, the war crimes tribunal at the Hague, Netherlands in a landmark judgment in a case involving three former Bosnian Serb commanders declared rape to be a crime against humanity.
The fact that women’s rights need to be safeguarded in every country of the world cannot be overemphasized. In a historic decision, the Rajasthan government is changing the service rules to punish employees who are found guilty of torturing their wives. As reported in a national daily, the punishment could involve sacking and action would correspond the crime, with punishments including suspension and stoppage of increments.
It is the duty of the State to remove inequities in the personal laws of various religions. Recently it has been made compulsory to include the mother’s name along with that of the father in various forms required to be filled for an Indian child while seeking admission in a school and otherwise. A small step forward in terms of marriage was taken when the Hindu Marriage Act was enacted in 1955. The term Hindu in this case includes Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and their denominations. Several laws have been enacted including the Child Marriage Restraint Act of 1929 and the current Special Marriage Act ,1954 which governs civil marriages. In this Act, for a boy and girl to get married they must have completed 21 and 18 years of age respectively. Bigamy is prohibited in this Act and each party is expected to give consent to the marriage. For a civil marriage, three witnesses are necessary. Progressive laws such as these protect the woman. Under the Islamic law, marriage is considered a contract and a nikah is performed with several dos and don’ts. The Parsis are governed by the Parsi Marriage and Divorce Act, 1936. Christians are governed by the Christian Marriage Act, 1872 and the marriage usually takes place in a church.
The report on the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) released by the Government recently mentions the steps taken by it to contain the negative impact of restructuring of the economy that India has embarked upon. “The new economic policies consist of macro-economic stabilization processes aimed at restoring greater fiscal discipline and efficiency, deregulation and de-licensing policies aimed at propelling industrial growth … these adjustment processes also hold out considerable challenges for the country, particularly for vulnerable groups, such as poor women, whose interests the market seldom reflects…” It enumerates the steps that have been taken to protect women. The Government of India made special efforts to increase its support for social sectors and started a number of schemes aimed at the poor, particularly poor women and women in the informal sector. These include the Rashtriya Mahila Kosh and the Mahila Samakhya programs.
The Integrated Child Development Program (ICDS) run by the Government is the largest in the world. Government figures show that ICDS has brought down infant mortality rate (IMR) from 55.1 in 1970 to 28.2 in 1992 and for female babies from 131 in 1978 to 80 in 1992. Life expectancy of women has risen sharply according to the report and stands at 58.1 years, which is higher than that for men at 57.7 years. Statistically speaking, at the beginning of the century, women were not expected to survive beyond 23.96 years. They have, however, still to catch up on the literacy front which now stands at 39.29 per cent for women as opposed to 64 per cent for men.
Keeping in line with the government’s policy on equal opportunity, there are 65 women in senior positions in the Indian Foreign Service around the world. For the first time after Independence the highest post in the Foreign Service, is to be occupied by a female foreign secretary, Chokila Iyer. It is commendable that despite various hurdles and mindsets, the Government has managed to ensure equal career opportunities for women.
The National Literacy Mission through the Total Literacy Campaigns (TLCs) has played a key role in raising awareness on issues of gender equity as have the Women’s Development Program, “Mahila Samakhya” and several other programs. The National Perspective Plan for Women (1988-2000) was drawn up in 1988 as an important strategy to change social attitudes.
The government has taken a number of steps and enacted a number of legislations to protect and safeguard women and ensure that their rights are not abused. One such measure is the Maternity Benefits Act, 1961. Before the enactment of this law, the grant of maternity leave and cash benefits were included in the Factories Act, 1948, Mines Act 1952 and Bidi and Cigar Workers’ (Conditions of Employment) Act, 1966 amongst others. Under the Central Service (Leave) Rules 1972, “female Government employees are at present entitled to maternity leave for a period of 135 days from the date of commencement. During such period, the employee is paid leave salary equal to the pay drawn immediately before proceeding on leave”. The Government has, therefore, tried to protect women wherever possible. Laws unless enforced, however, tend to be ignored and abused.
The 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendment Acts of 1993 mark historic events in the advancement of Indian women as they ensure one-third of total seats for women in all elected offices of local bodies, in rural areas and urban areas. In the rural areas, above one million women are going to emerge as leaders/decision makers at the grassroots level and enter public life through the existing 0.25 million bodies. Of these, about 75,000 will be the chairpersons of local institutions at the village, block and district levels, as per the Act. India still has some way to go as mentioned by President K. R. Narayanan in his Republic Day speech this year. He said women had made an impact on democracy (Indian) at the grassroots and remarked, “It is only logical to carry forward this process of empowerment of women to state legislatures and Parliament”. Women’s empowerment in politics might well be a decisive factor that will purify and save the democratic politics of India from the deterioration of standards and values it is experiencing today.” That is the message that should be remembered while celebrating the International Women’s day in the year of Women’s Empowerment
March 23rd, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
When the women of South Africa converged on these Union Buildings forty years ago, from every corner of South Africa, they created one of the enduring landmarks of our country’s history. They declared that women would insist on their role in making history.
Then, they vowed to a stubborn oppressor that they would resist and fight for liberation. Today, at the seat of our first democratic government, you have assembled to affirm the wisdom and farsightedness of those who declare: “Wathint’ abafazi, wathint’ imbokodo; uzokufa!”
The presence of so many women from so many parts of our land underlines the weight of the pledge for women of South Africa to join hands with government for Unity, Peace and Development.
That is a daunting task. The legacy of oppression weighs heavily on women. As long as women are bound by poverty and as long as they are looked down upon, human rights will lack substance. As long as outmoded ways of thinking prevent women from making a meaningful contribution to society, progress will be slow. As long as the nation refuses to acknowledge the equal role of more than half of itself, it is doomed to failure.
Yet we can acknowledge on this Women’s Day that in its short life, democratic South Africa has marked out significant milestones towards improving the status of women. For this we congratulate the women of South Africa: in government; in business; in trade union and community structures; in religious bodies; in women’s organisations and elsewhere.
Our participation in the Fourth World Women’s Conference in Beijing last year put the challenges facing South African women in the context of what is happening elsewhere in the world. It has strengthened the forces for change in our country. As a result we adopted the Beijing Platform for Action in common with 180 other countries.
By ratifying the Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women, South Africa has committed itself to specific and practical guidelines for attaining gender equality and the empowerment of women.
These commitments assist us in our task, because they allow us to draw on the experience and the victories of women across the world.
Our new constitution, in whose drafting women played a key role, commits our society to the equality of women. It is one of our most important milestones.
The challenge now, for government, for women, and for men is to seize the opportunities provided by these new formal instruments, so that women can indeed play their rightful role in transforming our society, in generating sustained economic growth, in reconstruction and development.
For its part Government is proud of the start it has made, with its social partners, in improving the lives of millions of our people. Better access to health care especially for women and young children; nutrition schemes for children; provision of clean water and electricity to communities that never had them; and land reform – these are just some of the first steps in our nation’s attack on poverty which weighs so heavily on women in particular.
As we build on this start, we have to ensure that the needs and interests of women inform our policies and the way we implement them. This requires the creation of a framework of commitments throughout government and the establishment of mechanisms for mobilising resources, co-ordinating policies and monitoring implementation.
Yesterday, the Commission on Gender Equality Act was brought into operation by a proclamation which was published in the Government Gazette. The members of the Commission will have the important national responsibility of promoting equality between women and men.
It will be my duty as President, acting on the advice of a Joint Committee or both Houses of Parliament, to appoint the commissioners. Nominations may be submitted up to 6 September. I therefore take this opportunity to urge all South Africans, particularly women, to give this important body their support by submitting nominations. I trust that all parliamentarians, especially women parliamentarians, will ensure that the selection committee is set up within the next two weeks, and that it carries out its work openly, impartially but with speed.
The Gender Commission itself will be part of a broader set of bodies charged with issues relating to gender equality. It will include the Office on the Status of Women in the Presidency – which will be up and running shortly – and mechanisms for giving government departments an effective focus on gender issues.
As a whole, this national machinery will help ensure that government does not merely pay lip-service to its policies concerning women, but actively implements them.
The success of these measures will require of women that you organise to define your needs and priorities and bring them to the attention of government. It will require that you speak with a clear and united voice. It will require speedy movement towards a national and truly representative voice of the women of South Africa.
Let us therefore resolve to treat the establishment of these new structures as a matter of urgency. Let us ensure that the Commission and Office are hard at work by November 25 this year, International Day of No Violence Against Women.
I refer to that date because it has special importance. Violence against women is a serious and escalating evil in our society. It is both a part of the subordination of women and consequence of that inequality.
The statistics, even though they are only partially known, are truly shocking. The fact that an estimated one in six South African women is being abused by their male partner is something that should not be tolerated in any society. This pervasive violence against women has as one its most extreme expressions, the terrible phenomenon of serial murders. We must eradicate this violence against women.
I therefore welcome the initiative of the National Network on Violence Against Women in launching the White Ribbon campaign. I would urge all of you to wear your White Ribbons, as I am doing, to unite against this evil. By doing so you are not only show your solidarity with victims of abuse. You will help spread awareness of what has been too long hidden. You will give a clear message to the perpetrators that what they are doing is beyond the bounds of human conduct.
Our anger should strengthen the resolve of all of us, inside and outside government, individuals, organisations and communities to join hands with the police in combating violent crime. Our ultimate victory in the war against criminals depends on the support and co-operation of every sector of society.
We know that the criminals, including those who abuse women, depend on people around them, women as well as men, keeping silent even though they reject what they are doing. The time has come to speak up and expose the criminals.
Only through a partnership of police and those they serve will we truly achieve the Peace to which August 9th this year is dedicated.
Forty years ago, a legion of brave and determined women dared to throw down the gauntlet at the seat of apartheid power. We honour these veterans. Indeed, the fact that we do not yet have a monument in these environs to acknowledge them is a challenge that we face, as we plan to honour the victims and heroes of our history of struggle. Their inspiring example challenges us all to work together to realise their noble ideals and build a truly non-sexist society.
Let us join hands, in response to the call of the women, for Unity, Peace and Development. Let us enter the new century with concrete results to measure our beautiful words.
Equal power and glory to the Women of South Africa!
I thank you. NELSON MANDELA
March 24th, 2009 @ 8:20 am
Dear Readers and visitors,
This is my personal appeal. The domain has space constraint. Please make your comments short and crisp. The readers are requested not to hurt other commentators on religious, gender and other personal grounds. Please help me to make this free Knowledge Portal better. My intention is to make countrymen, specially Youngistanis, aware of burning issues confronting the country.
Regards.
Maloy K Dhar.
March 24th, 2009 @ 8:43 am
@ 81
“Equal power and glory to the Women of South Africa!”
YEAH RIGHT!! Have you ever in your life been to SA?? Because then u know SA is one of the countries most infested with AIDS. If women are so empowered then how is there a 1 in 6 incidence rate of HIV AIDS in South Africa even 20 or so years after apartheid? In fact, not only do the women contract AIDS because they don’t use condoms (neither do the men; on top of it u have Hon’ble Pope who makes ridiculous statements like condoms are not the solution but the cause of the problem suggesting Catholics in SA shouldn’t use it) but worse they also pass the AIDS onto their children. So much women empowerment!!!
Regarding Nelson Mandela he and ANC were considered as terrorists for a long time by US State Dept. There are still HUGE black ghettos in SA. I mean really HUGE larger than typical cities. So much for empowement of black people of SA!!
Anyway what is the point of discussing women’s rights in SA in a largely Indian forum. Might have as well discussed women’s rights in TIMBAKTU!! What gives.
March 24th, 2009 @ 8:51 am
Hi ARVI or Arwi, as we call an edible root,
Have you gone mad? Please maintain decorum on this portal after the author has made a personal appeal. This is not the place to air your jaundiced views. For the sake of Allah, Christ, Rama, Buddha, Guru Grnath Sahibji etc. etc please shut your trap. You are too much a littering person.
March 24th, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
Sir, while I wait for your next bombshell, I congratulate you for the article on women and rabid societal response to Women’s lib. I have just finished your book Shakti, short stories on women courage. It is a fantastic book. Pray for your more success in literary field. How did you manage to be both an Intelligence operator and a literati?
March 25th, 2009 @ 8:59 am
Dear Mr. DAR,
I read your postings carefully. I understand you have focused on domestic issues. But we would request you to focus on Taliban, Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and danger posed to India and the world.
March 25th, 2009 @ 9:02 am
Dear Sir,
Your article is very good. I have just finished SHAKTI-Real life stories on Women courage. The best short stories I have read in recent times. We expect more from you.
Pranam,
Chameli
March 25th, 2009 @ 5:10 pm
You have quoted from Shri Shri Chandi. There cannot be more authentic quote on women’s power. Why these ARVI type Hindus are cribbing? Women are great source of strength.
March 25th, 2009 @ 7:41 pm
Dont make this site a fighting ground.Mr.Dhar itself requisted below.Dont use this site to hurt any religion.Help this site to become a knowledge garden.
March 25th, 2009 @ 8:22 pm
@ Dravid
I somewhat agree with u in point 77 . But in point No. 61 u have said the following:
“Hindu girls are so innocent that bad muslim males can mislead them and then do all that you said.”
This misleading thing is a fact. In Marathwada region of Maharashtra Police caught some young men from Minority community alongside girls colleges and hostels. When they were interoggated they said tht. they have been given daily allowance of 300-500 for misleading Hindu girls under the guise of Love-Pyar vyar and then converting them. This is to be done to the great work of so called God.
This is a shameful practice followed by some miscreants. I hope this incident shud not escalate to a full scale riot.
If in fact it is a true love then no one shud have any objection. But if it is a conversion practice then offcourse there is an objection.
March 25th, 2009 @ 11:56 pm
Dravid
Maintain decency.Some peoples here doesnt conveys there ideas or message but here to fight with others.you started telling other mother sister something ,then he is going to say the same thing to u or more than that.Let this site be a library dont make this some nasty thing.
March 26th, 2009 @ 12:30 am
Hello Sir,
Pls write a article about Kashmiri Pundits.And just refer this shocking clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0xcgeiGo4 .Thank you.
March 26th, 2009 @ 2:03 pm
@ Sivaji @ 91
I think you should actually complement Dravid. he /she has put up an commendable argument.
March 26th, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
sir, you are wonderful. No woman has written so effectively about the man-pigs. Our men treat women for granted-love no love. Thnak you.
March 27th, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
Sir, I am happy that you have mentioned about distortion in Muslim social practices as well. It is surprising that in 2009-10 and beyond Muslims have to remain slaves to prescriptions made in Arabia by miserably illiterate people who had no vision for the future. How can a vast population living in different geographical locations and nation states forget their cultural traits and surrender to foolish mullahs? Please write more on illiterate Arab preachers and their blind mice mullahs. We want to live as good Indians and not as Arab jihadis.
March 28th, 2009 @ 8:30 am
Sir, your article has drawn wider attention. This nuggets of thought have propelled us if we men are really doing justice to our women, even in our homes! There is no question of Hindu, Muslim and Christian. All are equally cruel to women. We congratulate you for baring open the issue.
March 28th, 2009 @ 8:33 am
Sir, in our Bangladesh women are treated by the mullahs as chattels. We are under constant threat from fundamentalist jihadis and mullahs. But there is no ban on the jihadis raping women and misusing them. Over 10,000 Bangla women are smuggled out for prostitution in South East Asia. This is a country! Shame on men.
March 28th, 2009 @ 8:46 am
You deserve praise for elevating the status of women by referring to the scriptures. That women were equal if not superior in certain matters were recorded in our scriptures. Bur menfolk have distorted the truth and enslaved women.
March 28th, 2009 @ 8:47 am
Thank you sir. I was haunted out by my in laws for failure to bring dowry. Now I work for an IT company and support my two kids. You have given me new courage.
March 28th, 2009 @ 8:49 am
Sir, you are a beckon of hope for us. I can assure you that we would work for the family, nation and for ourselves. But there are no succor for vast majority of women. They are still slaves.
March 28th, 2009 @ 12:51 pm
Thumbs up sir. It is another brave article.
March 28th, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
Mr. Dhar. Thanks for mentioning about plight of Muslim women. WE do not want to be slave of Shariat and Hadith which are not suitable for modern society. We want liberation from the mullah community.
March 28th, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
I disagree. Women should follow the Hindu social code. How can they start behaving like American women?
March 28th, 2009 @ 12:55 pm
Dhar you are anti-Hindu. Do you want to destroy our society by encouraging women to go berserk?
March 28th, 2009 @ 12:56 pm
Well done sir, do not be frightened by the social morons who attack you.
March 29th, 2009 @ 9:03 am
I am eaferly waiting for Jagore.com. However, I compliment you for the graet article on women’s issue.
March 29th, 2009 @ 9:06 am
Thank you sir. I think the issue of women’s right in our Hindu and Muslim societies require great reforms. Rajiv Gandhi had imprisoned the Muslim women by neglecting the Supreme Court verdict on Shah Bano case. Even than we call him a secularist. The Hindu forces should draw lesson from the Shakti of the mother goddess.
March 29th, 2009 @ 9:08 am
No sir, I do not agree with you. You have totally denounced the Hindu values. We cannot allow our women to behave like US women. WE have to preserve our own culture.
March 29th, 2009 @ 2:26 pm
I disagree with you.
April 20th, 2009 @ 5:16 am
informative piece there, Thanks for this.its wonderfull to see someone with a like mind.
May 7th, 2009 @ 1:51 am
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June 15th, 2009 @ 10:37 am
Hi, very nice post. I have been wonder’n bout this issue,so thanks for posting
June 16th, 2009 @ 9:01 am
now I’ll stay tuned..
July 11th, 2009 @ 2:31 am
Recently I read an article about the life of Dionysis the Greek God, in India. It is from a Greek source and it mentions 7 castes in India at the time (Chandragupta Maurya’s time) but does not mention a word about untouchables. It means that untouchability was a recent invention when compared with the vastness of Indian history. We don’t know how this inhuman practice started. As you said it is the duty of RSS and VHP to campaign for the abolishing of untouchability from the Hindu society.
People like Ram Sena must first read Ramayana. Ramayana mentions that even Lord Ram drank wine. The ancient Tamil poetess Avvaiyaar mentions in one of her poem that the king offered her the best meat and the best wine. These people who beat up women are no different from the Taliban and must be treated in the same way.
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