THE ABSURDITY OF BEING AN INDIAN
I avoid writing on politics. However, the sordid drama staged by A. R. Antulay in the Parliament provokes average Indians to ponder if we are living in a single nation, one country and one entity. The Indian National Congress, far from exhibiting dignity, behaved as faggots of treachery. All faggots end up in ashes. Hope Congress understands the latent inflammatory elements in common Indian psyche. No more lullaby please. We want positive secularism and nationalism. Days of compromise are gone. We, the tentative and absurd common Indians, are angry.
In July I read an interesting item by R. Prasannan with Dnyanesh Jathar, Lalita Iyer, Ajay Uprety & Nandini Oza (The Week, July 29, 2008) and others, which might have been education for many, but not for me. Celebrated and calibrated journalist Seema Chisti wrote a 3 part article in Indian Express in October 2008 recounting how very large numbers of Muslims were rotting in Indian jails as compared to very little Hindus and others. It did not force our tears out. Obviously we have not also been impressed by Sachar tears, which were more like Rudali lamentations than reflective of real ground situation.
This is not the space to debate with the good souls who shed tears either on payment or out of misplaced deductions from recorded histories. History is written, never objectively and it awaits discovery of truth from the garbage put together by the assumed research buffs. Truth is not in the writing. Truth is there like the glaring Hiranmay (Sun) to be discovered after removing the glares of punditry.
Latika Gupta wrote an excellent article in Economic & Political Weekly (February 9, 2008) titled, ‘Growing up Hindu and Muslim: How Early Does it Happen’. Her thesis is authentic, when she says the lessons of division are taught in the schools. It continues in adult days as well. My friend Dr. Benkin, a US scholar is of the view that Hindu-Muslim civilisational conflict has entered the third phase-conquest & consolidation, separation, and preparation for the final separation.
It is not that these recent input made me a tentative and absurd Indian.
Truth had dawned before me in 1947, at a port town called Bhairab in East Pakistan where my Monorama didi (Manorama Wilson) was raped by the vandals inside our residential campus. It came to me from Maulana Sarafat Ali, our Urdu teacher in the junior section of the High School.
Since 1947 I have been feeling absurd and tentative being an Indian. Maulana Saraft Ali had pronounced pointing at me and four other Hindu boys in a class of 40 (class VI) that we Hindus were different from they Muslims. They went to mosque, we to temples; they spoke Urdu, Arabic and Persian. Bengali was imposed by the Hindus. They ate beef, we worshipped cows; they keep beard, we kept chutia tuft on head etc, etc. I had returned from school with great pains in accompaniment of Muslim friends, who consoled me that the Maulana was not correct. We Bengalis were one and the same.
I was born in India and in the growing up process I was told in the accompaniment of streams of blood, hillocks of human carcasses that I had ceased to be an Indian. I had the honour of being a young Pakistani, in my homeland and amidst the bounty of nature we were endowed with. Finally the message that we were not welcome in the holy land of Pakistan was delivered with multiple attacks on our trains we took for a new India. Somehow, we were able to land in the new India which was as foreign to us as was the Albion. It is not the misery, penury and utter humiliation of being treated with slightly better dignity than tailless simians devastated us. The identity that I was an Indian had to be obtained from a pompous officer after producing our train and air tickets humiliated me. That officer remarked sarcastically-was I a refugee! I had proudly replies that I was an Indian. But I had to produce that stamped paper for my school admission and UPSC examination. I was assured that I was an Indian only when I entered a covenanted service at the pleasure of the President of India. Nonetheless, we were hated in the old India we escaped; we were not yet welcome Bangals in the holy tract of Ghati-land; West Bengal.
As we sedimented gradually, and started rooting in the new India given to us by the inheritors to the collapsed Empire, we learnt that our India had not completed the convulsions of partition. We were Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jain and Buddhist, Dalit and OBC etc Indians. We were further divided into linguistic groups and later smaller ethnic and linguistic groups asserted their identity and we were again presented with the spectra of multiple divisions in what we were united amidst underlying oneness and diversity.
Fine. As long as the monolith of one party rule was there the many Indias were artificially fused without complete obliteration of the seams of separation. With gradual rise of regionalism, parochialism, casteism, and religious fundamentalism we woke up to the realities of being divided from within and without. We were threatened with Tribal separatism, regional spasms for better identity and rights, severe tectonic convulsion inside the so called fused entity- Secular India.
We became many Hindus, defending our respective caste boundaries and enlarging the borders ruthlessly in the name of justice and equity so far denied by the dominating Hindu castes. As threatened social creatures we witnessed our boundaries closing around us and even the dearest friends and colleagues treated us as “They” versus “We” in the name of equalization of the historic injustices. We were presented with the spasms of ethnic unrest and desire of the ethnic minorities to redraw the geopolitical boundary of India.
Fine. We, the Indians understood the latent dynamics of the changes and tried reluctantly to accept the reality that we many Indias were never united as one India; we were many India’s glued together by quantum residue of varieties of freedom movements left by the partition. We continued to suffer from the illusion that we were one India-irrespective of our diverse inlaid identities.
Chronic suffering often cause molecular changes in the physical, chemical as well as societal chromosomal adjustment leading to new realities which are better accepted as new-realities. We have started grudgingly accepting the facts of ingrained diversities. Some of us realise that the Dalits, considered through eons as no better than gutter insects and universal pollutants are also fellow Indians. Most of us still cling to the Gita and Manusmriti and scores of others scriptures enunciated as the perfect social order for perpetuating upper caste supremacy.
The Other Backward Classes are still considered as mythological Trishanku-hung uncertainly between the upper castes divided into molecular segments of Brahmin, Kashtriya, Vaishya and Shudra and the untouchable Dalits. The OBCs are land owners, cattle-rich and have the benefit of both brain and brawn. But they are the nowhere people. Upper castes still abhor them and they in turn maintain same hatred for the Dalits like their upper caste social counterparts diagnosed for centuries. Social empowerments of these outer-Hindu communities are yet to take roots in Indian psyche, though some of us have woken up to the post-V. P. Singh realities what Rabindranath Tagore had said “Oh my unfortunate country, you would be equalized with those whom you have insulted for centuries.” It is unlikely that Indians would share the dream of Tagore. They did not accept what Mahatma Gandhi preached vainly from 1920 to till he was gunned down by an assassin.
While we stand divided on the caste front we have not yet accepted across the country the cries of woes and pains of the ethnic tribal, and the people living in the fringes of the country. To many Indians the Northeast is still an “outer India” and hinterland tribal India is “excluded India.” We do not understand these multi-cultural, multi-linguistic and multi-ethnic tribal who had once ruled over the vast tract of remote areas and hill preserves. Creation of tribal states has not solved the problems. Very few of us realise what pains the Hindu Meiteis of Manipur and what inspires Hindu Ahoms to take up arms. We have not yet made attempts to understand what makes the tribal and rural deprived people to take up arms in the name of Mao and wage war against the country. We consign all these to the governmental bin of law and order and refuse to understand why our own people are turning against us.
This absurdity is so endemic that the governing tools, totally identified with the chronically rotten governing principles borrowed from the British Empire, consider these peripheral Indians as the “enemy of the nation.” How can a conscious Indian, who has seen the wider India from in and outside accept this absurdity? How can one exit continually as an absurd Indian, in conflict with the societal and governmental systems?
While these pains haunt us with no end to the horror-dream of bursting of the seams of the country to the point of architecturing the final collapse, another historic ghost has come alive and keeps giving shiver that the bad days are here again. Hindu protagonists count the days of bad dream with the repeat desecration and destruction of the Somnath Temple by Muslim raiders, which was perpetuated by the occupation of India by consecutive Muslim raiders and rulers. Foreign invasion was not new to the Indians. But this time around came not only foreign armies and rulers. They brought in a new civilization, new Faith and new cultural values that refused to “synthesize in the same body” (Ek dehe holo leen-by Tagore). The conflict situations prevailing for long period in history often lead to some degree of adjustment, not assimilation. The same thing happened in India too where linguistic, cultural and societal transference of particles took place that was applauded by some historians as evidences of assimilation. This myth was busted after the Third Civilisational Force and superior military power replaced the remnants of the Mughal power.
The period of decline in history often signify the rise of some tertiary forces; the same happened as Hindu potentates started asserting their politico-military identity taking advantage of the bankruptcy of the Mughals. Some Muslim potentates also followed the same path. But the period of flux from 1757 to 1857 had started crystallizing a few new realities: consolidation of British Power, total decline of Muslim political and military power and beginning of the period of Hindu assertion and gradual growth of pan-Hindu and pan-Indian nationalism.
All scholars, Hindu, Muslim, and European assert that 1857 was the beginning of another conflict situation between the majority Hindus and minority Muslims. Sans their military and political power the Muslims realised that in a Hindu majority country they had to tread very cautiously to preserve their Islamic cultural, religious, linguistic and social identity. Nearly eight century old cohabitation had established some tentative bridges between the Hindus and the Muslims. However, British assertion demolished all those bridges and the rulers of the past realised that they had ruled only through the power of weapons and not through superior knowledge based political, economic and cultural tools. Both Hindus and Muslims realised that they had been living together separately for nearly 900 years.
Like the Indian untouchables the Muslims were kept at stellar distance by the purist Hindus; the Muslims having embarked on aggressive conversion with the help of the Sufi saints, spears, swords and economic stranglehold. Helpless communities under superior military occupation, especially against an alien civilization, opt for two courses of action: merge with the new invaders or shy away from them by shutting all doors and windows. While some ruling families, professionals, soldiers of opportunity, as the universal rule is, collaborated with the invading power for limited survival and motives of gain the general people maintained total distances. A good number of the Kshtriya, Shudras (kayasthas and other middle category Hindus) collaborated with the Mohammedans. The vast majority of the Brahmins, huge intermediary classes and the rural people either raised a stiff curtain or fought lost/won battles or submitted to the soldiers, Sufi saints and other preachers.
The systematic destruction of temples, plunder of temple valuables, forcible ravishing of women and reversal of status from owner to slaves had turned the Hindu society virtually hostile to the emissaries of the new civilization; totally antithesis to Indian and Hindu values. They were different in culture, dress code, religion, language and all social practices. A new civilization clashed with the eons old Indian civilization which never disagreed to assimilate all outer elements. The Muslims believed only one way of assimilation; in stellar terms-assimilation of the Black Hole. These differences were not only emphasized by the Mullahs but even a leader of the stature of Mohammad Ali Jinnah proclaimed several times in public utterances that We and They were separate in every respects; separation-total separation alone could assure security of the Muslims in divided India.
Obviously Jinnah and his folks barring a microscopic “nationalist” Muslims like Ansari, Azad and Kidwai etc had joined the chorus without giving any consideration that partition-total separation would not solve the problems of the residual Indian Muslims; who, for various reasons would continue to be minority in majority Hindu India. Jinnah had abandoned over 2 crores Indian Muslims and flew to Karachi to rule over his fiefdom. What he left for India and Pakistan was a bloodied legacy of hatred, unfinished agenda and unfathomable religious bigotry.
The two civilisational forces never merged-they lived together separately since the first Muslim rulers started exercising political-military powers. They were as separate as vast segment of the Indian population lived separately from the so called upper caste Hindus. In case a Muslim visitor dropping in he was offered a ‘reserved hukka’, cups and utensils specially maintained in outer quarters for the ‘mlechh’ Muslims. The lower caste Hindus very rarely dared to visit the caste Hindu villages. As late as 1994 I had the misfortune of witnessing in a village in the capital of India (Bhartal-next to posh Dwarka) separate ‘panghats’-wells and ponds for the for the Jats and Brahmins and the scheduled castes-ornamentally called chamars. I would not invite city dwelling Indians to visit the hinterland of Bihar, UP and other caste ridden states, where caste politics has overshadowed constitutional politics.
I had the fortune of visiting certain prohibited areas in UP and Bihar during my service tenure and experiencing the humiliating question by Thakur and Brahmin families in hushed voice if I were a Muslim, Chamar or Kurmi or Koiri. My ingenious officers passed me as Turmeric-a Kayasth- used in all seasonings-raj darbar to office desk and war field. Only after careful vetting I was allowed to enter the reception room of a veteran Brahmin landlord-politician to share a cup of tea; hopefully in the family utensils.
The bitterness of living in India with the bitter test in heart and test-buds as an irrelevant and absurd creature still haunts us. I happen to live under continuous threats and pricks from people like Laloo, Mulayam and Mayawati on the one hand and by my Brahmin-Thakur compatriots on the other. Most Muslims call me chameleon. Luckily I am treated as Turmeric- a Kayasth-acceptable for any curries.
Indians of all shades of caste and community need to wake up and ponder what glue keeps us together. Nationalism has been defined in various manners-like blind men describing an elephant. The most realistic description is that religion does not make a nation. Language does not. Culture and continued historical faiths and bondages do tend to coagulate diverse people into an entity nearly resembling a nation. If economic common interest and common security concern and defences are added to these ingredients the soul of nationhood starts taking shape. Finally a governing system that works in totality and is capable of proving total protection to the peoples inhabiting such a compact geographical and historical entity, the concept of nationhood crystalises. Races, ethnic diversities, linguistic varieties and religious and cultural kaleidoscope do not hinder such coalescence.
Formation of a strong national identity is like the formation of a cosmic planetary body. Varieties of physical and chemical properties spin and coalesce to make a planetary body. Similarly the Indian nation was born out of similar process. However, one particular ingredient having spun for centuries declined to coalesce. The fear of this minority element later invented a Separate Nationality-Muslim Nationalism. I was taught this lesson in the accompaniment of several slaps by my Urdu teacher at a school in East Pakistan. Over decades I had forgotten the slaps and the lesson. I had rooted new faith in one single nationalism in India-Indian nationalism and not Hindu and Muslim nationalism. However, certain developments since 1980 had shaken that faith. Now it appears we are again many nations and many Indias.
We had nearly forgotten slogans like “nada e takvir-Allahu Akbar”, “ladke lenge Pakistan.” However, the muted slogan of “Hum Hindu nahin hain” and “Raj karega Khalsa” and “Kahlistan Zindabad” started reverberating from some segments of Sikh society and Sikh Diaspora. What had woken up the mummy of Sikh nationalism has been explained by politicians and pundits. I have, as an intelligence operator in the Punjab, also explained some perceptions in my books. But the real adrenalin that reinvigorated the mummy was political and religious fundamentalist rivalry between power hungry Congress and Shiromani Akali Dal. They simply exploited the religious chauvinism of a priest of Dam Dami Taksal, an extremist Sikh seminary. The Diaspora was assisted by Pakistan to fan the fire and finally the ISI took charge of the secessionist movement. While operating in the Punjab I always wondered what made the Sikhs rise up demanding separate nationhood. The horror rising of the mummy has been neutralized but not completely buried. In Pakistan the Sikh grave diggers are still waiting for opportunity to strike.
What surprised us most were the efforts of some Hindu fanatics to dig the graveyards of history and right the wrongs done centuries ago by the Muslim rulers. Mosques and temples, churches and synagogues are usually destroyed by the invaders. The Muslim invaders specially destroyed religious temples of other faiths to strike two points: the ruling king, a protector of religion and himself God incarnate was not able to protect his people and religion and intolerance against other religions and their religious places are embedded in certain interpretations of the Quran. Somnath Temple was the first major victim outside the Hindu kingdoms of Sind and Afghanistan. The first temple of Somnath is said to have existed before the beginning of the Common Era. The second temple, built by the Yadava kings of Vallabhi in Gujarat, replaced the first one on the same site around 649. In 725 Junayad, the Arab governor of Sind, sent his armies to destroy the second temple. The Pratihara king Nagabhata II constructed the third temple in 815, a large structure of red sandstone.
In 1024, Mahmud Ghazni raided the temple from across the Thar Desert. Ghazni believed that the pre-Islam goddess Manat was the focus of Somnath Temple. Turko-Persian chronicles a major poet of the eastern Islamic world, Farrukhi Sistani, who claims that he accompanied Mahmud to Somanath, provides a fascinating explanation for the breaking of the idol. He tells us that the name Somnat (as it was often written in Persian) is actually Su-manat, the place of Manat. From the Qur’an it is learnt that Lat and Uzza two goddesses were destroyed, but Manat was believed to have been secreted away to Gujarat and installed in a place of worship. According to some descriptions, Manat was an iconic block of black stone; a part of the Kabba Stone, the form was perhaps similar to a lingam. This story hovers over many of the Turko-Persian accounts, some taking it seriously, others being less emphatic and insisting instead that the icon was of a Hindu deity. Certain German and British authors also described the Somnath Lingam as the part of the black meteorite that was vandalized by tribal Arabs and Mohammad had later got it installed in the reconstructed Kabba, in which, he was assisted by Greek and Indian artisans. A part of the stone was brought to India. This probably explains the zeal with which the Gazhnivids and Delhi Sultans destroyed it repeatedly. History supports that Mahmood Gazhni and other Sultans had sent reports to the Caliph soon after destruction of the temple and received ‘saropa robes’ from the protector of Islam.
Besides this semi-historical accounts chronicled by the Persian, German and British authors it is recognised by several Muslim authors that most of the important mosques and historical edifices were constructed on the ruins of Hindu palaces, temples and mausoleums. Sardar Patel got reconstructed the 7th temple of Somanth and Muslims in Karachi rioted on the occasion of its inauguration.
Europe had successfully fought back the Islamic invaders and almost uprooted their religious edifices. But they could not undo the Muslim footsteps in the Balkans, parts of Greece and other Eurasian countries. History has witnessed the rebirth of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. Such fresh birth pangs are taking place in China, Southern Thailand, the Philippines, and southern Asian fringes of Russia. History is a never ending process. Who knows what’s in its womb?
Political activists are not radiologists. They cannot predict what is in the mummy box and graveyards of history. So, when the BJP and the Sangh Parivar went ahead at the wee hours of decline of the Indian National Congress to dig up history by demolishing the Babri Masjid, little did they know that the raging jihad in Afghanistan had defeated the mighty USSR and Pakistan was already fuelling insurgency in Punjab, preparing for a prolonged proxy war in Kashmir and perching the flag of Islamic jihad on Indian soil. The fools that they were had demolished the mosque not to rewrite history but to create a new conflict situation for which India was not all prepared. Fools in politics are more dangerous than bulls in China shop. Hindus forget that they did not have in the ranks of their kings the class called Knight Templers, who defied the Muslim invaders till the last men, for preserving the Christian political presence in Jerusalem. A people who do not know how to unite and defend to the last drop of blood should not dare rewriting history by cowardly actions of demolishing mosques, churches and places of worship of non-Hindu people. Societal strength grows out of social unity, equal mission, equal resolve, and equality in everything; as enunciated in the Vedas. A people divide so much from within should wake up that equality is the pre-requisite qualification for nationhood.
However, the dividing lines are more pronounced in the case of social strata that divide the ‘majority’ Hindus and ‘minority’ Muslims. The endless borders of separateness start from living quarters. The Muslim invaders had settled down in well defended camps where non-Muslims were not welcome, except utility personnel. It tricked down to representation in the Kotwalis and army, mostly manned by Muslims. Hindus were given chance much later, say grandfather of Jawaharlal Nehru, was the Kotwal of Delhi during the last days of the Mughal rule.
The process of raising fences was expanded to education health care, control on supply system etc. Muslim boys went to madrassas, while the Hindu children converged to ‘Tol’ system of Sanskrit education or some sort of secular education that had become broad based only after the Christian Missionaries in Bengal, Madras and Bombay presidencies introduced secular education on the pattern of western education system. The British were also in need of Indian education in Persian, Urdu, Sanskrit and vernacular (say Bengali) to acquaint themselves with the language, culture and crafts of business transaction with the “Natives.”
Jinnah in several speeches and communications had emphasized on the differences between the Hindus in language (Urdu=Muslim; Vernacular-Hindi= North Indian Hindus and other Hindus). Dress differences were emphasized eloquently, which do not require elaboration. Personal appearance differed poignantly. Though in certain provinces the Hindu converts to Islam continued practicing traditional ways of life. As a child growing up in Eastern Bengal, I was told eating chicken, chicken eggs, garlic, onion and other food items was un-Hindu. Visiting a Muslim home was prohibited (I never bothered and tested chicken and eggs in Muslim homes to the delight of my soul). Similarly, it is recalled that, some rabid Muslim League pioneers had forced a few weavers to eat beef and declared that with that holy act they had become Muslims. The Hindus totally boycotted them. On this count both Hindus and Muslims were equally responsible for firming up the boundaries of social divide. Jinnah had simply pointed this out and asked world leaders to accept the realities.
Documentation is ample to prove that the Hindus by and large welcomed the British as a deliverer from “Yavan” Muslim rule. Nearly 800 years of occupation had exasperated the Hindus and the British arrival, to large section of conscious Hindus, was act of God delivering them from the ‘Yavanas.’ Christianity found more acceptability as it did not insist on 100% changes in cultural, civilisational and social practices. A converted Christian might had or had not eaten beef, but he continued to be a part and parcel of his eons old civilisational practices. A Michael Madhusudan Dutt, a product of Derozio School of renaissance, might have been an aberration but later he too sang in praise of motherland India and its cultural values. The underlying sense of ‘final freedom’ from ‘Yavan’ occupation was reflected in the pioneering novels of Bankim Chandra Chattopadhya-mainly Ananda Math (the fountain of Bande Mataram) and Devi Chowdurani etc. Obviously, Bande Mataram is just like a red rag to the Muslims of India. They say that Indian Hindus, to proclaim that it is a composite nation, should bury Bande Mataram, the mantra that inspired lakhs to sacrifice their lives. The fundamentals varying so wildly and widely cannot even be unified by Quantum or Universal Theory of oneness. We versus They is likely to haunt India till such time the term ‘They” is forgotten and erased from the canvas of history’s memory. Is that possible?
These differences ultimately sprouted the seeds of “Hindu Nationalism” and much later the latent “Muslim” nationalism flourished in parallels leading to Muslim refusal to join the Hindu Party Indian National Congress. The Aligarh Movement symbolized Muslim Nationalism which later flourished as Indian Muslim League. The history of the League and its culmination as the sole Muslim party under Jinnah and partition of India is as tectonic a development as the sinking of the old stars of Indian nationalist movement with the death of Lokmanya Tilak and rise of the triumvirate of Gandhi, Nehrus and Patel. Several authentic history books, besides the partisan ones written by Congresites, Communists and British lackeys are available in the market. (If the readers want to read this author they have wait for his book Living Together Separately due in mid 2009).
With this brief backgrounder one wonders why sections of the Indian Muslims should still feel deprived in a land where constitutionally, legally, politically, economically and socially they are equal partners! There is not much space here to dissect the Muslim minority psyche. The minority communities, all over the world, suffer from acute sense of insecurity and strive for autonomy and protection. Minorityism often leads to secessionist tendencies. In recent times we have witnessed this in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, East Timor and tectonic forces of Islamic separatism are haunting South Thailand, the Philippines, Chinese Xinjiang, Russian Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan etc. Surrounded by jihadi milieu in its west and simmering jihadi zealots in Bangladesh Indian Muslims groomed with the feed of hatred and separatism cannot remain unaffected. The bitterest tongue lashing I received from an important Muslim leader in 1993 in Mumbai after the serial bomb blats staged by the ISI and Dawood Inbrahim read like this: ‘You Hindus are out to finish the minority Muslims. We are not safe in India. We want to get back our Muslim homeland.’ In those days of frayed tempers and communal polarization (nothing new to Mumbai) I digested the dig.
But how can any Indian, irrespective of religion, digest the utterances on the floor of the Parliament, by A. R. Antulay, the Second Jinnah of India, casting grave doubt on the martyrdom of a valiant police officer, who, incidentally, was the first to unearth a Hindu terror group. History says that in 1920 Jinnah was harassed and booed by the supporters of Gandhi and Nehru and he was told in no uncertain words that he was not the one to lead the Congress and the Nation. Muslim League’s separatism inherited from Shah Waliullah, Sir Sayyid Ahmad etc and encouraged by the British was given a fresh lease of life by Jinnah. He wanted his own crown and complete separate identity for the Muslims. But what happened to Antulay? BY no imagination he can expect to steal the Crown of India from the Nehru-Gandhi family. Even the majority of Muslims, barring the fanatics in Milli Council and Wahhabi, Salafi separatists would accept Antulay even as their representative. The CROWN is not for this hybrid son of Ratnagiri.
A.R. Antulay (courtesy Indian Express)
History cannot be rewritten. But, what Abdul Rahman Antulay, s/o Hafiz Abdul Gafoor and Zohrabi wants for himself and the Muslim community? Sonia Gandhi at best can offer him a more lucrative portfolio. But how are the Indian Muslim benefited by this outburst. What is the similarity between him and Jinnah? None but one minor common strain. If some Konkani stories are to be believed ANANTH KARANDIKAR a Maharashtrian Hindu from Konkan had married a Muslim girl. It is not clear whether he converted to Islam or not. The children born out of this wedlock were referred to as children of Anthu (pet name of Ananth). Children in Marathi translates to “mulay”. Thus Anthu’s children got the name Antulay. Antulay has something in common with Jinnah; his forefathers were Gujarati Hindus. Beyond that where are the similarities? What crown can be offered to him? The same crown was claimed by Sahabuddin, the Foreign Service officer. They all faded away with dreams of Muslim Inying dia. Muslim India is abad dream, Mr. Antulay. You are implying what Jinnah said openly, you are reflecting the separatist elements who ant to regain the Taj-e-Hind through Jihad.
By these wild allegations Antulay has confirmed my fear: I continue to be a tentative and absurd Indian, who has to seek answer to questions: am I an Indian? Or am I still living in an alien country where some day some Hitler, some Jinnah, some Zia would turn up and claim my homeland. This has happened to my Kashmiri brethren. In Independent India, during the rule of Indian National Congress the pundits were killed, raped and were driven out of their own homeland. What is the relevance of the INC? Nothing. It should be renamed Indian Minority Congress (IMC). I fear some day this IMC leaders would force me out of this Tentative India and banish me to nowhere land. I feel so absurd. I wait for another exodus. Where to? No one answers.
Those Indians, who do not live under the Blackstone of ignorance and are not smeared by colours of politics, should know that Antulay is neither a madcap nor an insane greedy blackmailing politician. If our media has not looked deep into the conspiracy and have not spelt it out, I do, as I am not bound by the limitations of CC (code of conduct) prescribed by the government and imposed by the media on themselves for better TRP. I am a disrepute madcap, and I want to voice the concerns of millions of ABSURD INDIANS.
What did Antulay say on the floor of the symbol of sovereignty of India? To refresh your memory I quote from Indian Express, since I have no access to Parliamentary records, “Somebody who knew both the ends, sent him (Karkare) in the wrong direction otherwise why should he have gone to Cama hospital? He should have gone to Taj, Oberoi or Nariman House. He went to such a place where there was nothing compared to what was happening in these three places. He went to the Cama hospital on the basis of a phone call. Who is that person who made the phone call? This should be probed….Karkare found that there are non-Muslims involved in acts of terrorism… Any person going to the roots of Terror has always been the target… Superficially speaking, they (the terrorists) had no reason to kill Karkare. Whether he (Karkare) was a victim of terrorism or terrorism plus something, I do not know…I can’t say who killed him,” Antulay said. “I leave it you. But you remember what all was said against the poor man. He was an upright officer. I know a bandh call was given against him before he was killed… who was responsible for sending him (Karkare) in the wrong direction… somebody wanted him to be killed… why all three (Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar) went together is beyond my comprehension.”
Antulay was openly supported by RJD, SP, BSP and JDU Muslim MPs. Maulana Kalbe Jawwad, Maulana Khalid Rasheed, who heads Firangi Mahal, Naib Imam of Eidgah Aishbagh and head of the Islamic Centre of India Maulana Khalid Rashid and Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid questioned opposition to Antulay’s calls for probe. “What’s the harm in a probe? It’s important to clarify all the doubts which anyone may have over his death. If everything was in the right place, then why is BJP opposing the move?” Similarly Laloo was caught on TV saying ‘what is wrong in a probe?’ Only for one more vote, Mr. Laloo!
These voices found support from various parts in Pakistan. Pakistani media and legislative assemblies warmly greeted the Muslim leader from India. In India too, the All India Milli Council, Jamait-e-Islami and other organizations clapped Antulay’s courage. Those who bother to care and know (hope IB does) special prayers were said for Antulay in important mosques and monajat were kept for the success of his mission. If the Mumbai tragedy had brought about rare unity in the total spectrum of Indian psyche and silence of sadness, the purity of our sacrifices were jolted by the second Jinnah of India-A. R. Antulay by echoing what even Pakistan had not dared to utter. Way did Antulay behave like this?
Let us examine: 1. Congress orchestrated the show through Antulay to send positive message to J&K Muslims that the Party was open to probing Hindu terrorism, (possible, Congress is capable of playing Indian Minority Congress role on political stage) 2. Antulay was asked by “some people” from outside India to bail out Pakistan and Dawood (no proof-but as rumour mills spin in Mumbai, Ratnagiri and other places this one Konkani was never hostile to the Karachi based Konkani Kaskar) 3.The bad guys in Mumbai say that big amount was deposited to an offshore account of this Konkani Muslim for satisfying and providing elbow room to Pakistan and Dawood.) It is known that Pakistani media had fully exploited the volte face of Antulay and thereafter, Zardari & co flip-flopped their statements, 4. Internal Muslim leaders had forced him (no proof). But several Muslim MPs, religious leaders, except the Deoband stalwarts and Jamait-ul-Ulema-e-Hind, came out in support of Antulay. Others who did not come out supported him through rumour mills that he was more courageous than the VC of Jamia Milia who had promised monetary support to the Indian Mujahideen terrorists involved in the Jamia Nagar terror action. Even Laloo, known for his loo-se mouth had found virtue in Antulay’s Jinnah like pronouncement from the seat of Indian democracy.
Antulay is not alone. After the Union Home Minister pronounced establishment of Federal Investigating Agency, strengthening of the Internal Security Act several Muslim leaders howled like marsh-jackals in unified chorus that these were directed against the Muslims. Some good-Samaritan journos, as generous as they are with their other good things of life, joined the chorus that the Muslims are made to suffer indignity and discrimination in everyday matters of life. Some demanded Muslim way of governance in India. Earlier the same folks of jackals had sung chorus against signing of the 1.2.3 nuclear agreement. Why? This was directed against Pakistan and Iran.
If the Indian Muslims are so concerned about India’s nuclear superiority against the Muslim homeland Pakistan should not they just board a couple of special trains, plains and ship and land at the holy land, which was promised to them by historical Jinnah and now they have another messiah in A. R. Antulay to lead them. Let us make way for them. We need not promote and protect the friends of Pakistan on Indian soil. Indian Muslims are supposed to be first concerned with India’s welfare and not that Pakistan and Iran. If they defy this elemental ingredient of nationhood, I. as an Absurd Indian would contribute all my life’s savings for their Ziarat to the Promised Land.
Is there any difference between what Antulay and ilk implies through their hedged statements and the wall writing at Chaman on Pakistan-Afghanistan border? Very little. See for yourself:
The wall artist essentially says: The Dream Of United India Is About To Shatter (Source: Roznama Express, Pakistan, December 19, 2008). I, at least, do not find difference. Our Chamans (gardens) are more colourful.
If democracy allows strident communally biased statements by a minister of the government, let us discard that democracy and turn to…To whom? Some say army. I do not agree. Let us turn to the people and request them through door to door campaign that they should defeat the Indian Minority Congress (IMC); Indian National Congress’s (INC) epitaph having been written by Jinnahs like Antulay and his cohorts in and outside India. Let us have one slogan: defeat the enemies of the country.
Politicians are notorious for multi-speak. But Antulay, the Mohammad, did not go to the mountain, the Mountain, Congress High Command, came to him, tried to hedge, twist and finally decided to put a veil on the matter by shameless charade of diplomatic parliamentary shenanigan. Why did Sonia Gandhi, so vocal on everything that is Hindu-tainted did not speak up? Why that cover-up-lawyer turned spokesman tried to bluff the Absurd Indians?
We, Shrimati Sonia Gandhi, do not want to live more as tentative and Absurd Indians. If you are leading the Indian National Congress, the National Congress bequeathed to us by illustrious leaders, please do not convert it to Indian Minority Congress. Perhaps you are aware that the ancestor of the Nehru-Gandhi family Motilal and Jawaharlal perilously believed that Congress represented all the Muslims of India and the Muslim League and Jinnah were imposters. They were disillusioned when at the final stand Jinnah asserted that Muslim League alone had the right to represent the Indian Muslims. He had forced the issue. Jinnah had won; Nehru’s was a pyrrhic victory. He had few loyal Muslims with him but the Indian Muslims stayed away from the Congress till they realised that to stay in Hindu majority India they required temporary political umbrellas. They shifted shores like desert sands-Congress, SP. RJD, BSP etc, etc. Now, perhaps you are aware some Muslim stalwarts are on the verge of starting an All India level political party, outside the Congress/Left protected Jurassic AIML of Kerala. Please listen to the footsteps of the tectonic changes. Antulay has sounded the bugle.
” We, Tentative and Absurd Indians should not be pushed further, lest we are forced to push the INC to the graveyard of history and compose the final requiem. I would leave this honourable duty to the peoples of India.”
“A reader joins-India Needs Knight Templers”
Before we get to know the Knights Templar, its wise know the back ground. Arab Muslims had captured the holy land “Palestine” in the 7th century. In the year 1009, a “mad” Fatimid Caliph, Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah destroyed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. It was also called the Church of the Resurrection. As per the Christians, this site is the place called Golgotha, where Jesus was crucified. This site is also the place where Jesus was buried and then Jesus was resurrected (came out of death). You can understand the damage the Caliph did to the Christians. Although the church was rebuilt by the Byzantine Empire in 1039 after offering money to the Caliph’s successor. But the pilgrims and clergy were harrased and killed.
Byzantine Empire was not at its best those days. The Byzantine Emperor Alexios I appealed to the Pope Urban II for fighting men to help him resist Muslims. In 1071, the Battle of Manzikert was fought. Byzantine Empire lost badly. The help from the Pope was not very successful. The Popes struggled with the idea of bloodshed in the name of Christ. But Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt and other Christian areas were already captured by Muslims. The piligrms were constantly attacked. Hence Pope had steped in when Byzantine Emperor Alexius I called for holy war and to recapture the lost christian homelands begning with the Holy land of Jerusalem. This is the story of the first Christian Crusade against the muslims.
I would not step further into crusade as our objective is to help and understand Knights Templars.
Who are Knights Templars?
As you can see that the attack on the Christian pilgrims by the Muslim invaders, was not liked. In 1119, Hugues de Payens, a French nobleman, collected eight of his knight (one of three types of fighting men during the middle ages: Knights, Foot Soldiers, and Archers. Today the Battle Tanks do the Knights job. He had armour, horses etc which were terribly expensive) relatives and began an Order (a kind of movement which involves physical fighting), with the intention of protecting pilgrims on their journey to visit The Holy Places. They set up their headquarters in the southeastern side of the the Al Aqsa Mosque with the kings blessings. The nine Knights swore to defend the Christian Kingdom. The Christian Crusaders had turned the Al Aqsa Mosque into a church, calling it the Templum Domini (Temple of the Lord). This is where the Knights got the name Knights Templar.
Now these Knights were very poor, as they were supposed to be not earning a livelyhood and depended on alms from the piligrims. But the priest like living and harsh conditions did not stop volunteers to join in. Hence the Knights Templar grew and the organisation was divided into the knights (equipped like the heavy cavalry of the Middle Ages); the serjeants, (light cavalry), farmers (for farming and some were in administration) and the chaplains (sort of priests).
The first Nine years there was not much known about them. There were a number of councils held at a place called Troyes. One such council held in 1128 or 1129 (there is a dispute on the year), convened by Pope Honorius II, recognized and confirmed the Order of the Knights Templar. Knights Templar were rough knights on the battlefield, pious monks in the chapel.
After 200 years Knights templar were disbanded in the early 1300s .
One thing you must know that the Knights Templar have been made popular by the modern day Novels. There was another such organisation called Knights Hospitaller. This Christian organization started as an Amalfitan hospital founded in Jerusalem in 1080 to provide care for poor, sick or injured pilgrims to the Holy Land. When the Knights Templar were dissolved in 1312 and much of their property was given to the Hospitallers.
The Indian equivalent of Templar Knights: The Khalsa
Have you ever wondered why Pakistan, which nurses Islamic rule over India has to do with Khalistanis? You must be already aware that Sikhs fought Islam in India to protect Dharma. Pakistanis want a part of Sikhs (Khalistanis) to be on their side while they try to impose next Islamic Caliphate in India. The Sikhism was not formed to fight Islamic invaders. The Khalsa Knighthood arose in 1699 when Guru Gobind Singh asked the Hindu families to give him their eldest sons to help raise a new Khalsa Army against Mughal tyranny and forced Islamic conversions.
Modern day Hindu Templar Knights
If you just ignore the Khalistani syndrome, the Sikhs are still a part of Indian Templar Knights. The institutions like Bajrang Dal, RSS are capable of being the Templar Knights as they evolve. Since this is a much more civilised world and non state sponsorship (unlike Templar Knights) these organisations vent their energies into misguided activities like attacking innocent people, rape nuns and other misdeeds. During past 5 decades we have seen Islamic terrorism playing havoc on India. The Islamic society is very divided, with majority of Muslims living peacefully. There is a minor community who are not in tune with the secular characteristics. Its time we differentiate both the Templar Knights and Muslim trouble makers of India and put a rest to such a history being created again.
By: P Chacko Joseph, Publisher, Frontier India Strategic and Defence
January 14th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Dear Sir,
Why is that people like Antulay, who enjoy all the privileges, give vent to Muslim distrust about India. Why Congress does not give up its pretensions of representing Muslim interests? We Indians would pay for air, rail and sea fares of all the Muslims of India who want to be Pakistani. Let them go there.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Hello Sir
Read your article. But few facts i want to ask is ‘How Khalistan was a project of Pakistan?’. Three references in this – in 1955-60 a congress MP from punjab approached ‘Sirdar Kapur Singh’ to become protagonist of Khalistan which Sirdar refused. Second protagonist of Khalistan was ‘Jeewan Singh Umrannagal’ long before Bhindranwale came to the stage he was the main speaker Khalistani slogans who also was of congress affiliations, Third was ‘Jagjit Singh Chauhan’ who was let loose on International stage in support of Khalistan. Chauhan was also a minister with congress support. The more we probe history it surprises us that Khalistan was actually a brainchild of Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru which was dutifully carried on by Nehruvian legacy.
Second you mentioned that Indian Equivalent of Templar Knights is Khalsa. How is that? I have read European History. Templar Knights were created not to take claim of Holy Land although that was the reason told to christian populace to prepare them to supprt and fight crusades. Templar Knights was Venice creation. Venice in those days was what New York and London are today. Knights Templar were created to serve Venitian Maritime interests along the mediterranean coast. Papal history can tell you more about them if you would like to know.
Khalsa was not revealed to fight against muslims or just mughals. If you read un-biased sikh history from Non-Brahmanical sources then you will know that the biggest enemy of Sikh gurus were Brahmins. Be it Chandu or Gangu or Twenty two hill chieftains. Our of four orders of Islams in Indian Subcontinent it was only Naqashbandi Order of Islam that clashed with Sikh Guru’s. The Sikh Gurus have rejected Brahmanism by declaring that the source of all Brahmanical thought is Materialism.
Let me put it in right prespective for you. Guru Nanak rejected 7000 Years of Semitic Thought which was born out of Egypt-Syria-Babylonia and gave rise to religions like Judaism, Islam, Christianity on one side and 7000 years of Indo-Gangetic thought which is represented by Four Vedas, Puranas, Upanishads, Brahsutras, Vyakrans and all six schools of indian philosphy on the other hand and showed a ‘Third Way’ to humanity. This ‘Third Way is Sikhism’ that rejectes aryan as well as semitic thought and its subsequent religions.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
This is for Arwinder Singh,
Dear Sir. Sikh history is very recent and the histories around Guru Nanak Devji and other Gurus form glorious parts of Indian history and Sikh phenomenon is the greatest schism in Hindu pantheon after Buddhism. However, there are no end to scholarly divergences and opinions. It is your privilege to accept certain versions and it is my quest for truth that urges me to opt for the undiluted facts of history not contaminated by scholarly bias. I worship the Gurus as I worship any other holy person and Yugapurushas, especially Guru Gobind Singhji. India needs a Yugapurusha like him. Thanks for taking interests.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I am pained by what Arwinder has said. Sikh history is very clear. While Sikhs have emerged as a sub-nation on the basis of religion there is no dispute that it gradually broke away from rigid Hindu practices. All efforts to cut the umbilical would be worse than the Muslims saying that they had nothing common with India. Arwinder appears to belong to Bhindranwale school. We do not support such extremism. Moreover, Dhar has rendred excellent service to Punjab, which has remained unrecognised from government. Let the Panth honour him for his writings about the Sikhs.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Arwinder Singh is a classic example of Aryans gone wild. Like Aryans deny invasion theory, this guy denies the Sikh history and misrepresents it. Now, this is why I ask you aryans to get a room to fight.
Now this Arwinder Singh claims that someone said that Khalistan is a Pakistani creation. The whole article is in front of us. Unless Arvinders singh reads Arabic, he must be a lunatic.
Then he goes on with “un-biased sikh history from Non-Brahmanical “, it reminds me of VHP passing off Aryan Invasion in some vague references.
Before, hindus reject Aryan theory and now Arwinder Singh’s version of Sikhism also rejects Aryans.
These Aryans behave more Dravid than Dravids themselves.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:14 am
This is for Sukhvinder Singh Rajoke :
Dear Sukhvinder, I do not belong to Bhindrawale school because there is no such school. I am Neither a tool of right wing fascist theories or politics. The entire khalistani stuff was nothing more than an internal civil war in liberalism. Genocide of people is something that liberal economics require. Let’s answer a question : Can you run fascist economic policies without fascist administrative policies? If you can then Project Adolf Hitler or Bin Laden would not be a necessity of Liberal Economics.
If you want to understand the world around yourself stop thinking in terms of hindus, muslims and sikhs, christians etc. try to understand bigger philosphical, political, social and econimic currents and only then you will understand the whole problem.
There is a power which is trying to incite war on the northen borders of India? You want to know why ? Read ‘The Geographical Pivot of History’ by Halford Mackinder and you will understand why. Few terrorist attacks can not bring that war untill unless a fascist right wing party comes to power and make excuse of these terror attacks and start war.
Thats how they started World War I. You know every body blame Germany for starting world war I but Germany was last to mobilise its Army. Serbia was first second was UK, third was Russia, fourth was France fifth was Austro Hungary and sixth was Germany. So if you seek truth you have to shed everything that newspapers tell you.
January 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Man this Arwinder Singh (AS) is absolutely a product of Arab-Arayan lunatics. I was wondering if he would conclude with Hail Hitler salute. Stupid Aryans. I happen to read ‘The Geographical Pivot of History’ by Halford Mackinder, but, there is nothing like what you say, unless you read a arabic translation.
He also sounds like human rights fellows. They have all reasons for Governments going wild and terrorists are protected. Also, his comment
[quote]If you want to understand the world around yourself stop thinking in terms of hindus, muslims and sikhs, christians etc. try to understand bigger philosphical, political, social and econimic currents and only then you will understand the whole problem. [/quote]
This is very funny. At higher levels of consciousness, if you can rise to it and actually try to understand in the way this AS(S) is trying to say, you will find that you are in Himalayas and meditating for next 100 years. I am sure he does not know what he is saying and just writing something for the sake of writing. This incoherant Aryan is classic example of these Aryan stupidity.
Its simple, You Aryans get out. Problem solved. If you want a discourse in this kind of nonsense why can’t you all go back from where you came and leave India in peace? We want to live peacefully. Khalistanis can fight for their home land in Germany.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Hello Dravid
Have you not evolved out of Mohejodaro? We thought in India we aee all mixed races-Aryan, Dravid, Mongol-Sino-Tibetn, Thai and Austro-Negrito. You are te chosen succesor to Mad Kutta Kaunanidhi.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
This is for Dravid:
If you have read Halford mackinder’s article that i mentioned then look at eurasian landmass. in that he has mentioned that who so ever controls this central place controls the eurasian landmass and if these eurasian countries started cooperation then british maritime, trade and financial power will end. can you see Anglo-American military anywhere close to this central place. if you can see then you will understand the meaning of Mr Mackinder’s writing. Islamic terrorism is only being used for geo-political maneouvrings they are no power in themselves. Saudi arabia is cental to wahabbist versions of islam. Therefore if you love Indians and not just India then you must reject war mongering. Because if war comes India might survive but it will take toll on millions of Indians.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
A Mongolian Indian, If we are mixed race , then we are mixed religion too. If we all cannot act like single people, I have the right to act like an Dravidian. Its silly you have not understood the irony as I posted it. its simple that if Hindus and Muslims can’t live with each other than its logical that “I are te chosen succesor to Mad Kutta Kaunanidhi or your momma jaya ’
Arwinder Singh,
its obvious that you are a Pakistani. I understood it right from the begning. Now, don’t worry about Indians, we are very capable to take care. Now You listen to us Indians. We are not going to suffer terrorism from you since ‘Because if war comes India might survive but it will take toll on millions of Indians.” We will get you when its time.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Dear Aswinder & Dravid and Mongolian,
I am dark, curly haired, thick African lip. I am an Indian-not Aryan, Dravid and Mongoloid. I teach history in an University. All that Mr. Dhar has said is to shame all of us: we are damn disunited, broken from within, we are shameless TV patriots. Come, if you dare, join hands and fight common enemies. If Indian Muslims Think they are closer to Pakistan they are welcome to go. Incidentally, I am a Christian. Any objection dear Indians? I find a tone of separatiesm in the voices of Aswinder and Dravid. Still dreaming separation!
January 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Proto Austrc Indian, You are a professor? i want you to write this 5000 times ” I will read what Dravid wrote on comment number 60, just before my comment.’ Then once it gets into your sorry head, then read what I wrote in comment no 60, the comment before your comment. I think it should be good punishment for a lecturer who cant pay attention.
January 16th, 2009 at 5:25 am
For Dravid:
Dravid i think you are not into dialogue but just a war mongrer. Have you ever seen war? You want to know something about it? In a war with pakistan your entire madras regiment ran away and helped in the massacre of Gorkha regiment on India pak border in the Dera Baba Nanak sector. Read Mr Dhar’s article carefully. When mr Dhar try to rope khalsa as Knights Templar for Hindu pantheon he knows the history that Hinduism Knights Templar Kshytri’s and Rajputs stopped being Knights templar long time back. Its this guilt that forces Brahmanic forces to claim that Sikhs as part of hindism.
January 16th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Arwinder Singh,
I told you that you read things in your illigetamate Fathers tounge, i.e, Arabic. All Pakis are illigetimate sons of Arabic invaders.
Now, you Paki, Check who wrote that Khalsa comment , its not Mr. dhar, Its by an gentleman called Mr. P Chacko Joseph, Publisher Frontier India Strategic and Defence.
And suddenly you admit that sinks were Knights templar, now, read it with your idiotic comments you typed in the first comment.
And war mongering, you are threatning us Indians of nuclear weapons, or, how else wll millions of Indians will die?
January 16th, 2009 at 9:13 am
For David:
Would you like to comment about Khastriya’s and their role in varanashramdharma?
January 16th, 2009 at 11:24 am
What do you want to hear?
January 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am
For David:
From this article. Tere were two points which i raised 1) Sikhs as knights templar for hindu pantheon 2) Anti Muslim rhetoric. for second point i have mentioned geo-political reasons for which some powers are trying to bring war to sub constinenet and i have mentioned historical reasons for that but you have not been able to present counter argument based on histyorical references but try to impose your rational by using some rude words.
For first point i have mentioned that Sikhism is a global religion and have nothing to do geographical loyalities. What hinduism have is Varanashramdharma divide hidu society in four castes and from that Kshatriya case i asked you that according to Varanashramdharma what is duty of this Kshatriya caste in Hindu pantheon.
January 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
It is sickening to see that one Arwinder is using this portal for spreading religious hatred. Dravid is talking of racial divide. The author, in the perception of a Thai Buddist, has criticised these as the chronic bane of Indian society. Muslims in India are loyal. But who are not should go to Pakistan. We have same problem in the south.
Would Arwinder, the self-styled Sikh pundit stop pontificating. If he wants to do that he may apply for priest’s job lam and in one of the global Gurudwaras as he claims his religion is global. I want to as the wise owl as to which religion exceptt Islam and Christianity had not originated out of Hinduism. The heavenly Arwinder’s religion had also branched out of Hinduism. We are proud of Hindu tradition and culture. Is Arwinder a new Osama for the Sikhs or a Bhinderwale? Stop using a knowledge portal as your dirty battlefield.
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January 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I don’t see where the authors have mentioned that ‘Sikhs as knights templar for hindu pantheon.’ All authors have said is that they were ‘like “Knight Templar” and they fought for Dharma. The authors also say that Sikhs asked for Hindu elder sons to join Khalsa. So, as I see, Khalsa has been raised as such. The authors have been very specific that ‘The Sikhism was not formed to fight Islamic invaders. ‘ So, there is no question of your claims. Even as the authors have mentioned that Sikhs are our part of future “Knight templars”, it only meant that Sikhs can raise another Khalsa.
Your second point is anti-muslim rethoric. here again both the authors are very clear that a section of muslims are misguided. Where is the rethoric? Infact, the main author says that the hindu vs muslim politics should be discouraged. if there is a hint of rethoric, then its against the Indian national Congress and the dogs like Antulay. The second author has just put up his points on the “knights templar’ and the Indian equivalent. He says “could be” but, please do not get into such situation.
Your questions are both wrong and I have already mentioned that you cannot understand anything written in english. You read it in Arabic translations.
The geo-political stuff is beyond my understanding. You quoted a book, which I too read it. You claimed that Hitler was a good guy. I gave you my opinion about your arabic translations. what you vomit out here is pure jehadi material. Now ypu paki turned Arvinder Singh, you should understand that when a Paki jihadi tries to get into intellectual debates, it shows a hundered miles away and sticks out like a sore thumb. And please, you Pakis are not even Muslims.
about Kshatriya in hindu dharma. its something of old times arising out of necesseties. Today the oly religion seems to be dollor. Yesterday it was kshatriyas, tomorrow it might be the oil executives, who knows?
On your Sikh sermon, we do not need a Paki sermon. We all know what sikhism is.
January 16th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
For David:
David, How can you say a section of muslims are misguided where as these days we see Hindu terrorists loose all over India killing muslims and christians.
Second i can not read Arabic i never learned it.
Third your blaming congress for everything is also not right. Congress and RSS are two sides of the same coin. There are other forces in play as well and your leaders dont talk about them. When mumbai attacks Mr Dhar wrote an article but didnt took it in detail covering all involved parties. The enemy of india is somewhere else its not muslims or pakistan or skihs or anyone else… Its someone else.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Arwinder Singh
I think you are a confused guy. You do read in Arabic. Now, after you accused the authors, now you accused me of saying something I did not say. I said ” the authors say so” that some sections of Muslims are misguided.
No one blamed the muslims of being a threat. I am getting tired of you manufacturing the “muslim terror” which has not been said here. The only person who is trying to twist the fact is you. Muslims are not a threat. period.
How can you say that you Pakis are not a threat? How can you say its someone else?
January 17th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Author : Dipack Hattengdi
Comment: On Intelligence Bureau
Yes, political interference apart, there was a detailed news report in a prominent national weekly, some two or three years ago, which read :- An unwritten rule: Sikhs & Muslims not to be inducted (as far as possible)in IB & RAW. This is not new. The post independence political leadership’s (the Congress) aversion to Sikhs and the secret suspicion of Muslims is too well known to be an embarrassment now. No wonder, infiltration of jihadi outfits is proving to be a problem for the IB. The greatest stumbling block for the IB & RAW is gross political interference. Both, apart from collecting information (sometimes from international news magazines as has been reported), have only ‘survived’ in their ‘colonial cocoons’ with a conniving political setup. For all our pretensions to ‘Chanakya Niti’, the political leadership should have really set up RAW in 1947 and fully funded upgrades and improvement on these two organizations (RAW & IB). After so many years, a country with India’s capacity should be able to have in place operatives to carry out decisive operations in most international locales quickly. If you can’t find out and pre-empt a 26/11 (vide active intelligence – ala Shin Beth; Sayaret & or Mossad; FSB; CIA; ISI; SIS etc etc) then we should at least have the capacity to contain action and reduce terrorists within the target area and we should, within 72 hours, be capable of causing mysterious blasts in Karachi, for instance!!! But poor guys, they are so busy spying on the common citizen and political opponents they have no time to grow. Ah, our political leadership, gutless since about 1919!!! Hey, that’s a long time!!
January 17th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I would request Mr. Arwinder etc not to use my portal for voicing their sectarian and bigoted views. In future I propose to treat such observations as SPAM. This is a knowledge portal launched for the benefit of Indian and international community. This is not the correct forum for fight sectarian wars. Valid objection to facts and disagreement with author’s views are welcome. I stand open to be corrected on facts. Analysis is my own. If any reader disagrees he/she is wwelcometo write critique on the same. I am not here to fence for any communal war. I do not mind abusive comments. But no one is welcome to preach his/her faith on this portal. Thanks to all readers and visitors.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dear Dhar,
I find your essays very informaive. Write more on politics, nexus between politics and crime.
January 18th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Dear Dhar,
I like your articles. You are doing a patriot’s job, that should have been done by us all. I produce films. I would like to discuss your book We the People of India for making a script. Obviously we would rquire to reach an agreement. Let me have your phone number.
January 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Dear Dhar Sir,
I saw this comment by a Sikh on the Pioneer. It is really new for people like me:
” I was witness to the absolute cult-like behaviour of the congress party. I say cult, because that is how a cult behaves when its leader is harmed. They came after the sikh community like rabid dogs. Had it not been for the BJP/RSS cadres, and our Punjabi Hindu brethren, many more Sikhs would have fallen to this diabolical congress party. I have seen what this party is capable of doing first hand. And trust me Chandan, what you have written is nothing compared to what this party showed in 1984. ”
Link to the comment and article : http://www.dailypioneer.com/150647/Age-of-inexperience.html
Please see comment of Kulbir Singh Saini on 1/18/2009 11:40:01 AM
Please comment on this.
January 19th, 2009 at 1:47 am
For Mr Dhar
Mr Dhar please accept my apologies for comments that appear sectarian. Someone accusing me for my views as paki was as abusive. In extension to your article someone wrote Khalsa could be Knights Templar for Hindu pantheon which took my strong objection. Khastriyas are Knights Templar for Hindu pantheon.
As for second thing I hope you have closely followed Mr David Miliband’s visit to India and India’s rejection of his views over Kashmir therefore not just India or pakistan but my political views are Anti-War in South Asia no matter what arguments anyside give. I have given full historical references for why i am anti-war in South Asia.
January 19th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Dear Sir,
Satyam is the most Asatya organisation. YSR, adopted son of Sonia has dirty hands in Astayam scandal. Delhi is trying to hush up the whole matter. An insider like me are threatened by Indian Micority Congress of Sonia that I would be silenced if I try to open mouth. I want to meet you. Please help me.
January 19th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
dear sir,
i read your articles quite regularly, but this one is an absolute masterpiece. in my school days we were told to write an essay on the topic” for one thoudsand years india has not invaded any country”. i guess we were supposed to be proud of our non violent past. but being an absurd indian i wrote an essay saying india never invaded any country coz we were too busy killing each other. my history text book says that india was called golden sparrow, but the farmers of this country has been on the brink of starvation as long as i can remember. development does not include mere setting up of industries, it also means improving rural standards of living. And yes i also share this weird fear of some hitler taking over this country and doing something that tarnish our name for ever. idiots like antulay forget that bombs kill indiscrimantely they dont ask you what your religion is. when bombs explode in trains muslims die along side of the targated hindu majority. besides the very intention of this long term insurgency is to fuel insecurity in hearts of people. to cause a balkanisation of our country. my country is suffering because of politicians with no vision for the future except getting reelcted and business men who are trying to provide cheap mobiles to people who cannot buy food. we need a second revelution in this country, we need a new congress that driven by zeal to serve the country and not driven by the blind greed to rule it.
jai hind.
January 19th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
jawaharlal nehru says” nations like civilizations, collapse not becasue of a threat outside, as much it does due to faults within”
January 20th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Dear sir,
I am fascinated by your article. We are ashamed that we have reduced our democracy to periodical voting and allowed criminals to run politics of the country. This disunited country cannot be called a Nation.
January 21st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Mr. Dhar,
We Muslims require a separate political party to express our existence in Hindu majority India, we want special laws like the provisions of 1935 GoI Act. We want fresh communal representation. Muslim India is different from Hindu majority India.
January 21st, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Dear Sir,
This stinging article is very timely. We have almost forgotten our Indian identity. We are Keralites, Tamils, Punjabis, Marathis etc. In the USA no one is known by his race, ethnicity and the name of the State he is based. Why have we reverted back to pre-British days? Why Muslims still think they are a different nation? Why can’t they go over to Pakistan and live in peace?
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
Dear Sir,
Your article is very inspiring. When I go to sleep, I wonder, is it the India we had dreamt of? How can we remove the barriers? Now the Vice President Ansari says that there should be separate law for the Muslims. Why not separate law for the Hindus? Is not Ansari repeating what Jinnah hammered before partition? This VP should be impeached.
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Congratulation sir, for making the Indian Minority Congress, otherwise known as Indira Congress and INC naked.
January 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
One last word sir,
You have the courage to call a spade a spade. Please lead us with your patriotic ideas. I like the invention: Indian Minority Congress.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm
R/Sir,
It will be too early to say this… But is Obama playing IMC in USA by shutting down Guantanamo Bay.
No doubt it is a facility which is against law but is this a step towards appeasing the Radical Islamic countries?
Wht. will be his next step. On an interview to Zee news a noted strategic analyst said that he will minimise operations in Afghanistan and may make peace with Taliban. Then Taliban will comeback again in a new form and cover over all Afghansitan and Pakistan which will be a headache for India.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Dear Dhar,
I appreciate your analysis and depth of knowledge. For the first time I hear that Somnath was broken as it contained part of the Kabba stone. That means Hinduism was present in Arabia in some form or other. If the scholars are correct the Muslims are also idol worshippers-they worship a piece og meteorite as a symbol of their Allah. So what is all that charade about Islam being anti-idol worship?
January 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I think you are spreading hatred against Islam. Indian Muslims are oppressed by Hindu majority. They have the right to demand another homeland.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Each one seems to be fascinated by your article..and why not …?not many officers in our country have guts to pen what they have in their heart..hats off to you sir…and by the way I will complete reading ur book ‘open secrets’ by next week..cheers
and sir…I feel Indian IB needs to revamp itself with more advances to meet the current requirement in field intelligence..
hope u don’t mind…
January 27th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Mr.Dhar
A growing section of the general populace of this great republic is being stifled, stymied and suffocated by a pervert secular discourse which encourages the airing of illusionary grievances of mohammedans. When a ruqaiya begum, with accompanying bellicosity, harps on a demand for another ‘homeland’ due to “hatred against islam and oppression of mohammedans by the Hindu majority”, she betrays her lack of faith in the idea of India. She must realize or be made to realize that India is and will remain the land of the free and the crescent has a discourse limited to the private sphere of personal faith. She and her ilk must either change their mindset or dislocate to the desert landscape where her illusionary salvation rests. All such fifth columns would be ruthlessly crushed. She ought to be grateful that the people of this great Land have tolerated her barely-disguised treason thus far- and only thus far and no further. Tolerance has its limits. Seek knowledge and light not darkness and doom.
January 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Mr Dhar
Do you want a fascist state where nobody is even allowed to ask questions. If a politician makes foolish insinuations, he will suffer elecotorally. It’s strange that rabid communalists like Togadia can abuse an entire community and you remain unperturbed but if someone asks for ‘inquiry’, you get angry.
If everybody starts believing things this way, the modules of Abhinav Bharat could never have been busted. What about the modules of Nagraj who were repsonsible for blasts in Hubli or the ones responsible for series of bomb blasts in Assam within three months. Will you also write on that also.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Oh come on Mr. dhar. You are taking something like what Antulay said too seriously. He, like many other politicians in India, have to give soundbites to show that they are relevant and this is his “pet issue”. Look at how Congress answered his question in Parliament and left it at that. I think that’s the wisest thing to do. Instead you are heightening the importance of and giving space to some mental idiot who paints graffiti in Af-Pak border. #82 and #89 even if you are Indians (which itself is questionable) what makes you think you speak for all Indian Muslims. #82, Dhar is not spreading hate against Islam; his writing is historical and you gotta be kidding me about Hindus “oppressing” Muslims? Tell me do Muslims get Haj subsidy in any other country (as they do in “Hindu majority” India)? #82, if you want communal representation go to Pak; secular countries don’t do that.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Thank you Mr.M.K.Dhar. Your article is one of the most comprehensive (considering the limited available print space) on this vexatious issue. Bash on regardless, Sir.
Indeed, I do believe that despite being ‘partitioned’ on religious grounds in 1947, the emergent leadership of that time diligently continued (practically) to divide people in three broad but crucial aspects:
Religion: Creating ‘minorities’ and ‘majorities’. Social & Religious distinctions are just that – Social & Religious distinctions, period. The State views all equally. State policy cannot be decided on the likes and dislikes of ‘minorities’ & ‘majorities’.
Education: Minority instituitions & Majority instituitions, Minority curriculum & Majority curriculum etc etc
Linguistic Division: (creating states based on Linguistic denomination – what a harebrained idea, but ideal to keep the people divided and the ‘wheelspinners’ in their chairs!!). Ideologically I am a Kemalist and therefore completely unimpressed by the ‘gandhian’ philosophy such as it is. For me, my Vatan-e-Hind shall always be ‘Sarvapratham’ & ‘Sarvashresht’.